Will heaven (hell?) be full of confused looking ancient Egyptians?

[Helm]

It will be extra confusing for them as they thought they had it all sussed, it turns out they didn't though I'm not sure how that was decided. They certainly put a lot of effort into what they had going on at the time. And what about extraterrestrials? I bet they would wondering whats going on when they find themselves in an Earthly paradise for humans.

[Nyxos]

I thought only [INSERT YOU RELIGION HERE] went to heaven, the others just die, so no problem there mate !

[Helm]

I thought only [INSERT YOU RELIGION HERE] went to heaven, the others just die, so no problem there mate !

I don't there is a religion that states that non-believers just die, they tend to go to the undesirable version of the afterlife, unless God lets them off for being born in the wrong era of history. I'm not sure if I was really born in an ideal era for any specific religious belief, there's too much modern science and stuff going on here, it would be easier to believe in something supernatural without all that.

There must have been a point where the real God of whichever religion is real thought "Right you lot have been following all these fake religions for thousands of years, so heres the real one who have to follow." He actually left people believeing in nonsense for thousands of years, that's a sense of humour for you, they were actually taking all that stuff seriously, the pyramids can't have been cheap to build.

[Nyxos]

Well, if you ask a really religious guy, he'll say its not possible that people ever believed in other gods before his own because he own created the Earth and Man and told Man that he was the only god (or gods) from the start.

So, basically, hell => bad people + other religions, heaven => good people of said religion, aliens => don't exist.

[Helm]

Well, if you ask a really religious guy, he'll say its not possible that people ever believed in other gods before his own because he own created the Earth and Man and told Man that he was the only god (or gods) from the start.

So, basically, hell => bad people + other religions, heaven => good people of said religion, aliens => don't exist.

It's simple enough for the fanatics but I'm not sure how more moderate believers will view this. The poor old ancient Egyptians won't know whats going on, and they're probably feeling a bit foolish from spending all that time and money on their own elborate religious practices that was meant to reunite their Ka and Ba after death. Their gods didn't even exist it was some guy called Jesus (or whoever) all along, that's going to have to come as a surprise to them.

[Khassaki]

I don't there is a religion that states that non-believers just die

Catholics have original sin, so unless your baptised you go to hell. I'd want to go to hell anyway, because the people would be a lot more interesting there.

[Helm]

Catholics have original sin, so unless your baptised you go to hell. I'd want to go to hell anyway, because the people would be a lot more interesting there.

They will be even more perplexed if they ended up in hell, they did believe in a hell but they were meant to go there only if their heart was weighed against a feather by the gods and found to be too heavy. So clearly they're going to be perplexed if they did all the stuff they were meant to do to pass the weighing and they didn't even get to the weighing room. At least we would know where we were and why we were there, though we may say "What the Catholics were right? No way!"

[Khassaki]

They will be even more perplexed if they ended up in hell, they did believe in a hell but they were meant to go there only if their heart was weighed against a feather by the gods and found to be too heavy. So clearly they're going to be perplexed if they did all the stuff they were meant to do to pass the weighing and they didn't even get to the weighing room.

Its practically the same hell though ( a lot of Jewish mythology was swiped from the Egyptians) so they would just be pissed rather than confused. What would be really funny is if hell was buddhist. Being hung up by the ankles and having ones entrails pecked out though one's butt for all eternity would not be cool.

[Squiggle]

It will be extra confusing for them as they thought they had it all sussed, it turns out they didn't though I'm not sure how that was decided. They certainly put a lot of effort into what they had going on at the time. And what about extraterrestrials? I bet they would wondering whats going on when they find themselves in an Earthly paradise for humans.

Uh, unless they saw God revealed in nature they would go to hell. I'm sure theres a small minority of Egyptians who got the general idea right, but not many [and if they get the idea right, I doubt they'd be particularly surprised at the result].

edit: same things for aliens if God never outright revealed himself to them.

[Helm]

Atheists would be doubly perplexed if they weren't expecting anything to happen at all, but that's an assumption as big as any wrong or dead religion even if it is a fairly obvious assumption. So yeah that's one thing you can say for certain about any potential afterlife, it's full of very surprised people who don't know whats going on.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Atheists would be doubly perplexed if they weren't expecting anything to happen at all, but that's an assumption as big as any wrong or dead religion even if it is a fairly obvious assumption. So yeah that's one thing you can say for certain about any potential afterlife, it's full of very surprised people who don't know whats going on.

most atheists don't assume anything about after death. I don't expect "nothing to happen", I haven't a clue what happens when you die.

[Biggreenfellow]

And we're not dying to find out!

Damn I've got to stop making that joke..

[C-Rob]

well, one might have to wonder if the specifics of the afterlife is just a human invention(gasp)

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Main reason I don't believe in any religion which claims to know the afterlife, it can't explain all the other theories.

[Invictus XII]

Ok, let me explain this from a Christians point of view.

God doesn't care what religion you are, if Catholicism is the true faith, doesn't mean no one else can get into heaven unless they are Catholic, thats plain stupid. And those who died without the opportunity to have Christianity in their lives (like the Ancient Egyptians), God will understand their situation, and let them into heaven or hell depending on how they lived their lives.

As for aliens, Christians believe there is no life outside of Earth, because we believe God created Heaven and Earth, and not another planet specifically, and formed man in his own image, and not man and some other form of intelligent life. If there were to be aliens out there, they would probably have no soul and nothing happens to them when they die.

[Squiggle]

Ok, let me explain this from a Christians point of view.

God doesn't care what religion you are, if Catholicism is the true faith, doesn't mean no one else can get into heaven unless they are Catholic, thats plain stupid. And those who died without the opportunity to have Christianity in their lives (like the Ancient Egyptians), God will understand their situation, and let them into heaven or hell depending on how they lived their lives.

Well your right if you mean not only Catholics get in, but all real Christians, your wrong if you mean non Christians who've heard the word get in. Likewise, you are wrong on assuming its how they lived their lives. Again, we have all failed Gods standards. They may only receive jesus' sacrifice if they recognize God within nature. Which needless to say is unlikely to happen and limited to an extreme few.

[nce_wht_guy]

Well your right if you mean not only Catholics get in, but all real Christians,

I'm not a Catholic, but really, come off it. Christ only established one true holy, catholic, apostolic church. How are any self-proclaimed Christians outside of it's fold be 'real Christians'? It's a ridiculous notion. That's not to say I presume to know what God does with them.

Likewise, you are wrong on assuming its how they lived their lives. Again, we have all failed Gods standards.

Again, this is nonsense. And particularly surprising coming from someone who so vehemently condemns relativism. We are all sinners, but how we live our lives is everything. It is by living our lives in a way that strives to conform to the image of Christ that we come to know reunion with the divine.

[Squiggle]

I'm not a Catholic, but really, come off it. Christ only established one true holy, catholic, apostolic church. How are any self-proclaimed Christians outside of it's fold be 'real Christians'? It's a ridiculous notion. That's not to say I presume to know what God does with them.

Come off it? I'm reiterating the standard Catholic position. M.B is a Catholic, and to be a Catholic he must hold the position. More importantly, I would consider the Holy spirit and Jesus' atoning death to apply to any person who believes, and has faith in, the God of the bible. An accurate reflection of Jesus and you are a Christian, even if not every single specific dogma/tradition is accurate to what was intended.

Again, this is nonsense. And particularly surprising coming from someone who so vehemently condemns relativism. We are all sinners, but how we live our lives is everything. It is by living our lives in a way that strives to conform to the image of Christ that we come to know reunion with the divine.

lol what? How could you possibly of interpreted that as if there actions bear no consequence? I said getting into heaven wont ultimately be judged on action but belief, and thats simply *the* universal Christian position. Recognizing God in nature is good enough, and you WILL fail his standards, you can ONLY reach heaven by Jesus atoning sacrifice. Period. That isnt to say you can live your life as a phychopath and use your belief in God as some kind of get out of jail free card. It's simply to say that its flat out wrong to assume virtuous, heroic etc people who have not heard the gospel go to heaven.

[nce_wht_guy]

lol what? How could you possibly of interpreted that as if there actions bear no consequence? I said getting into heaven wont ultimately be judged on action but belief, and thats simply *the* universal Christian position. Recognizing God in nature is good enough, and you WILL fail his standards, you can ONLY reach heaven by Jesus atoning sacrifice. Period. That isnt to say you can live your life as a phychopath and use your belief in God as some kind of get out of jail free card. It's simply to say that its flat out wrong to assume virtuous, heroic etc people who have not heard the gospel go to heaven.

No, it's not. Faith is just one part of the equation to attain Theosis. Without the Praxis (struggle,lifestyle), there is no faith.

[Khassaki]

Come off it? I'm reiterating the standard Catholic position.

No you're not, you are reiterating your own bizarre interpretation of what you think a catholic should believe.

None of the Catholic dogma is based on the bible. No catholic in their right mind would still believe the world was created 4,000 years ago in six days, as the Vatican no longer holds that view. Nowhere in the bible is there a prohibition on marriage for priests, sex outside marriage, or a prohibition on mastabation. It all occured long after the bible was codified to make the catholic church more attractive to the gnostics/cathars/bogomils with whom they were competing for adherents. The bible is just a source of parables for the catholic church, the dogma all comes from the Vatican.