Apachee

**zekic** · January 09, 2011, 03:04 AM

I just started playng apachee in america companing but they are very difrent from england in european can anyone give me some advices how to succesfully fight in battles with theyr trops becouse i was screwing against larger armies so swichet to autocombat.And by the way just started a war against new france and i am kinda afraid of theyr Heavy infantry,Muskets,Cavalry.Should i really be afraid of them and any tactics to fight them with just archers and light armored units.Also what composition of armies would be the best?

**Lord Minotaur** · January 09, 2011, 03:07 AM

just spamm troops and you willl destroy them and take all the rebel cities in USA

**zekic** · January 09, 2011, 03:12 AM

Well i see spaming trops is kinda easy i got alots of cash by now however from south i am attacked by pretty big army so i would like how to fight effectively with apachee

**nhinhonhinho** · January 09, 2011, 04:32 AM

You don't have to afraid because

1. French and English actually have 1Hp troops unlike Spanish who have 2Hp troops and as European faction their number/units is inferior
2. We all agree that Musket and Pike is somewhat useless in vanilla and kingdom especially in the hand of AI
3. Their "big army" actually consist about 2-3 full stack

So just swarm them with spearman and archer

**shikaka** · January 09, 2011, 04:58 AM

Also, enemy soldiers are mostly lightly armored, always take lots of archers.

Make use of the warpath! You can send 2 full stacks in the beginning with warpath to the far east side of the map, and conquer every village on the way in no time!

Apache troops are very cheap in upkeep, so be sure to have about 1 full stack/village!

In the beginning you can use archers and scouts (you know the ones with tomahawk), maybe also medicine men. Later, the mounted muskets are awesome!

**Silverheart** · January 09, 2011, 05:04 AM

In the beginning as the Apacheans, you can only SPAM troops at the enemy.
The Medicine men are your best infantry in the beginning, and you can get access to better units by recruiting the soldiers that precede them (So if you recruit warriors from a Raiders tent, you will eventually gain access to an improved version with better troops).
You should especially throw as many troops against the French as possible, because once you´ve killed enough of them, your people will learn how to tame horses and manufacture guns of their own - and THAT´s when the Apacheans get their only truly powerful units.
After that, with guns and cavalry, it will be easy to defeat the massive native armies to the south.
Just be careful, so you don´t leave the central americas in peace for too long. If you do, there will be at least one them who undergoes an enormous expansion.

**zekic** · January 09, 2011, 07:57 AM

Now i am at somewhere at turn 100 and i am using some Mounted Thunder brave squads they are very effective against france till they got any bullets.Not tryed them against natives yet becuse there left one native faction with vassals and we are at peace currently...Dont want to start war right away as they got bigger army then i am and thats counting those my armies who fighting french..Any advices how to siege cities becouse i dont think i can use full potential from my gunners.

**shikaka** · January 09, 2011, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by zekic

Any advices how to siege cities becouse i dont think i can use full potential from my gunners.

You could just defeat them on the field, and leave a full stack of bad units to wait out the siege. You can do it, your units are very cheap...

**Emperor Tom** · January 09, 2011, 09:22 AM

Muster your forces, they are cheap to raise, and use the Warpath to conquer a town, perhaps even their capital city if you can while still taking out rebel towns closer to home. Then close the gap and before you know it you have everything from Texas to Florida.

**nhinhonhinho** · January 09, 2011, 09:26 AM

Any advices how to siege cities becouse i dont think i can use full potential from my gunners.

Let them starving in the cities with a full stack waiting outside while make a good use of your horses and guns on the field and village

**zekic** · January 09, 2011, 10:07 AM

I guess warpath not gonna work for me becousse right now dont have any high piety priests..Any advices how to increase piety? I dont see any heretics here.Anyway always was bad at rising a good agents.

. You can do it, your units are very cheap...

Sadly cant say that about Mounted ThunderBraves By rising 2 full stack of them i was always with no money...

**shikaka** · January 09, 2011, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by zekic

I guess warpath not gonna work for me becousse right now dont have any high piety priests..Any advices how to increase piety? I dont see any heretics here.Anyway always was bad at rising a good agents.

Send them over to provinces with low faith. I think the more south you go, the more aztec religion you encounter.
It's the same like in vanilla (where you send over priests to Russia or Anatolia/Levant)

Sadly cant say that about Mounted ThunderBraves By rising 2 full stack of them i was always with no money...

For sieges, raise a few stack of cheap and numerous units, they only need to wait.
Don't use thunderbraves for that task!

**Playeraka** · January 09, 2011, 10:42 AM

Hell yeah Friendly Apache INBOUND!

**zekic** · January 09, 2011, 11:17 AM

Also i recently got ondes man(i guess they are called so) are they good in battle?

**John Haukewood** · January 09, 2011, 01:18 PM

They're about as good as you'll get in melee, if I remember correctly. The Chichimec have a better availability of infantry, but the Apacheans toast them on archers and javelins, which are great for spamming against Europeans and other tribes.

**Double A** · January 09, 2011, 01:41 PM

Your upkeep is chump change. It's ok if you lose a stack to a European one because you have 4 more right behind it, and they can't recruit their top tier units right away since every settlement in the US is a village.