No Access to certain Rebel settlements???

**Praetorian1** · January 08, 2011, 10:02 AM

while playing my Roman Empire (Byzantine) campaign on BC2.02 i noticed that i can't get access to at least 3 rebel settlements, which are Siwa, Buraydah & Lhasa

i also noticed that Buraydah & Lhasa are empty with no rebels at all but in Siwa there are rebels

i tried to get access to them from all possible directions but no way i could get even near them, can this be fixed or something??

**wudang_clown** · January 08, 2011, 10:20 AM

It's not a bug. Player is not supposed to reach those settlements in BC2. They are there to fill areas which are predominantly desert (Siwa and Buraydah) or don't quite fit to cultural scope of BC (Lhasa).

I assume you have used toggle_fow, otherwise you wouldn't even noticed them. Well, toggle the fow on. "Out of sight, out of mind", you know.

**Praetorian1** · January 08, 2011, 01:06 PM

i see, yes i used the toggle fow, for the purpose to see if there are any settlements in the desert.. you know, from 1 mod to the other settlements vary places

**Jazz19** · January 11, 2011, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by wudang_clown

It's not a bug. Player is not supposed to reach those settlements in BC2. They are there to fill areas which are predominantly desert (Siwa and Buraydah) or don't quite fit to cultural scope of BC (Lhasa).

I assume you have used toggle_fow, otherwise you wouldn't even noticed them. Well, toggle the fow on. "Out of sight, out of mind", you know.

That's about the best quote I have seen to the numerous threads about these settlements!

**Redrum** · January 08, 2011, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian1

while playing my Roman Empire (Byzantine) campaign on BC2.02 i noticed that i can't get access to at least 3 rebel settlements, which are Siwa, Buraydah & Lhasa

i also noticed that Buraydah & Lhasa are empty with no rebels at all but in Siwa there are rebels

i tried to get access to them from all possible directions but no way i could get even near them, can this be fixed or something??

Just use the teleport general cheat code to get there n take it, thats what i do....

**Praetorian1** · January 12, 2011, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Redrum

Just use the teleport general cheat code to get there n take it, thats what i do....

teleport general cheat code? i think its only fair to cheat in the game ONLY when the game is cheating u

anyway i suppose if no one can go in those areas then no one in them could come out either

**nnnm** · January 09, 2011, 02:00 PM

LOL xD

**megalitho** · January 12, 2011, 02:50 PM

was there any conqueror in history after alexander the great, who visited siwa?

**~Fell~Harlequin~** · January 13, 2011, 05:04 PM

Well, this is what I'm doing, cheater or not :

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...61#post5925161

Having had to skip through many turns due to those script bugs has left my Merchants weakened. Couldn't skill them up by using Quick Save :O So I need a permanent trickle of gold to make things a bit better. I probably lost about 30k in revenue, not sure.

Slejuk,Abbasid and Ayyubid merchants are everywhere by turn 1211! And units aren't cheap in this mod.

So going to teleport an army, hopefully. Here are my questions:

Can I teleport the army with a general using this code? How precisely, please? And will it have any reprecussions, bug wise, later on in the game? Maybe balance wise, too? (it's only two backwater (backdesert?) settlements that I won't be developing too much...)

Also if a settlement is completely cut off I suppose there's no point developing trade unless they use pidgeons or something to carry spice bags village to village or something... (haha). Will income be strictly pop value and farming etc?

No crazy hard/iron rules responses please or go hard completists. It's a game, a game that can chew a lot of time; get over it.

And thanks for any advice on this.

.

**Praetorian1** · January 14, 2011, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by ~Fell~Harlequin~

Well, this is what I'm doing, cheater or not :

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...61#post5925161

Having had to skip through many turns due to those script bugs has left my Merchants weakened. Couldn't skill them up by using Quick Save :O So I need a permanent trickle of gold to make things a bit better. I probably lost about 30k in revenue, not sure.

Slejuk,Abbasid and Ayyubid merchants are everywhere by turn 1211! And units aren't cheap in this mod.

So going to teleport an army, hopefully. Here are my questions:

Can I teleport the army with a general using this code? How precisely, please? And will it have any reprecussions, bug wise, later on in the game? Maybe balance wise, too? (it's only two backwater (backdesert?) settlements that I won't be developing too much...)

Also if a settlement is completely cut off I suppose there's no point developing trade unless they use pidgeons or something to carry spice bags village to village or something... (haha). Will income be strictly pop value and farming etc?

No crazy hard/iron rules responses please or go hard completists. It's a game, a game that can chew a lot of time; get over it.

And thanks for any advice on this.

.

yes i tried the teleport cheat but either i'm not doing the right one or i misunderstood cos although the units indeed build up in those sttlements by using the cheat , they will be rebel units not mine

EVEN THO ITS EMPTY....

what i tried yesterday, i didn't like it much, cos i edited the descr_strat & created a small force of 4 units with coordinates to spawn near Buraydah BUT THAT MEANS I HAVE TO RESTART MY CAMPAIGN

can i create a unit in the same area by giving the coordinates in the cheat ??? i'm gonna give it a try...

**Praetorian1** · January 14, 2011, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by megalitho

was there any conqueror in history after alexander the great, who visited siwa?

As for me, i'm not sure...

**megalitho** · January 14, 2011, 07:27 AM

yeah, that is the point. a commander of a great ancient or medieval army would not send his men through the desert to take a small settlement like siwa. alexander visited the oasis and his great army remained at the nile. this region is a uncomfortable place for travelling. you remember hannibal crossing the alps or napoleon in the snow deserts of russia? all these armies suffered enourmes casualties by nature not by enemies.

The problem is, that in medieval2 there is no system of supplyinglimit. Europa Universalis 3 has such a system. For example: The region Palestine has a supplylimit of 1000. That means, that you can send only 1000 soldiers in the region without loss. Palestine has enough water, food and so on for your 1000 guys. if you send 6000 to the deserts of palestine your army shrinks every turn. This is more realistic than Medieval2 where you can send thousands through the sands without loosing one single man.

I doubt that it will possible for the modders to attach such a system in the game. So unreachable regions are the best solution to keep the game "realistic".

**wudang_clown** · January 14, 2011, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by megalitho

I doubt that it will possible for the modders to attach such a system in the game. So unreachable regions are the best solution to keep the game "realistic".

It is possible, I've seen it somewhere, though I can't recall where exactly. I think it was to be implemented in Rusichi 2, but I'm not sure - an army moving through marshy terrain was supposed to lose men.

**megalitho** · January 14, 2011, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by wudang_clown

an army moving through marshy terrain was supposed to lose men.

i don´t think that this will fit into BC. In Europa Universalis 3 a decimationed army will get their full quantity in a rich region with a high supplylimit automatically. The game has a "national pool of soldiers" system. If there are enough young men ready to join military service your armies refresh after several turns to full strength. In medieval2 you have to send the troops back to the barraks to retrain. and for some factions the way back to home barracks could be very long. The conclusion is, that the players would recruit a large number of cheap units or only some very high-end armies or hire mercenaries and this is ...uhm

isn´t that realistic? i´m not sure. alexanders army was very small but very professional. the army of persia was large but with many mercs... I don´t know

**wudang_clown** · January 14, 2011, 09:39 AM

I'm not sure about replenishing, but I thought the idea is to implement losses in hard terrain, which would suit any mod, right? If so, then writing such a script - e.g. an army losses men during a march through an arid land - is probably possible.