Why does the media always second-guess the Militarys decisions. They knew a bad guy was there, so the tried to take him out.
Praeses
The American Airstrike on Pakistan
Why does the media always second-guess the Militarys decisions. They knew a bad guy was there, so the tried to take him out.
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Miles
Ignore what I said before
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Not to mention they didn't get the guy.
And they attacked a sovereign country that they're not at war with.
Non scholae sed vitae
It's an outrageous scandal.
Imagine France doing an air-raid on a village in the US, where -following the French secret services- a terrorist ought to be. Only there is no terrorist, and xx civilians get killed. Really.
"Tempus edax rerum." Ovid, Metamorphoses
Under the patronage of Virgil.
Praeses
well you have to take the initiative sometimes
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Puppeteer
Mmm that was a good book.You know, this kinda reminds me on Animal Farm. "We should trust Napoleon, because Napoleon is always right."
Hehe yeah, I wish I was a dominant super power...And they attacked a sovereign country that they're not at war with
Did they kill al-Zawahiri?
Praeses
they don't knowDid they kill al-Zawahiri?
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Puppeteer
Better fly in some choppers and collect body bags then. I hear the attack has triggered riots in pakistan.they don't know
Comes Limitis
Lol.. BTW: Have you guys heard that France will NUKE any terrorist state that attacks France??? I thought only Bush could say something like that!Originally Posted by The White Knight
Dux Limitis
France only said a nuclear attack is still an option.
This was in response to the question if maintaining a nuclear aresenal is usefull in a post cold war situation.
They didn't say a nuclear attack is the only option.
This is exactly what all countries with official nuclear weapons say.
If they said the would never use their nuclear weapons, why would they still have them?
Gruffles
There were no terrorists?
NPR - Morning Edition, January 19, 2006 · Pakistani security officials now say several terrorist operatives were killed in a U.S. airstrike that claimed 18 lives last week. But the attack missed al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri -- and the outcome illustrates the difficulty of tracking down al Qaeda leaders.
AP - Jan. 18, 2006
PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Four or five foreign terrorists died in the purported U.S. airstrike aimed at al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader in a Pakistani border village, the provincial government said Tuesday.
It's pretty common news at this point, isn't it?
The fact is, yes it would be great to give the Pakistani authorities a heads up. But it seems every time we do that the information is leaked to Bin Laden's forces. Is anyone here actually going to claim that Pakistan's sercurity forces aren't infiltrated (at very high levels) by those who are simpathetic to Bin Laden and al Qaeda?
I can't help but to believe some here and in the media are willing to jump to conclusions out of vendictiveness towards the Bush administration. To be sure, the US can't do anything right in the minds of these types.
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Smile! The better the energy you put in, the better the energy you will get out.
Honnête Homme.
there were no non-terrorists ?
(just asking, maybe there indeed weren't...)
Gruffles
I'm sure there were some people there that weren't directly involved in terror acts. After all, these types have already shown their affinity for using civilians and mosques as shields. If any children were indeed injured or killed, I would think those knowingly putting them in harms way would be as culpible (if not even more so) than the US is for striking and hitting known terror masterminds and leaders.
Is it completely beyond anyone's imagination that these monsters wouldn't plant bodies to make us look bad?
I personally don't think that's out of the realm of possibility either. Again, we know they will put innocent children in the line of fire as to exploit our compassion. Were any children killed in the allied bombings of Nazi Germany?
It sucks, but this is war.
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Smile! The better the energy you put in, the better the energy you will get out.
There were small children among the dead.
I can't help but to believe some here and in the media are willing to jump to conclusions out of vendictiveness towards the Bush administration. To be sure, the US can't do anything right in the minds of these types.[/QUOTE]
It´s not about jumping to conclusions when the US government obviously breaks international laws. This attack was a good example. The Pakistanis should be given information about the terrorists and then a chance to take actions by themselves as a sovereign nation, BEFORE the use of force could be justified as legal self-defence.
Double post merged, please use the edit button whenever you want to add anything-Valus
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Civitate
Lets not be naive here, I would say there is little doubt they had Pakistan's approval its been 'rumored' for years now that US special forces operate within Pakistan with the blessing of the goverment but obviously when things go wrong the Pakistani goverment cant very well publicly admit hey we allow them to strike a target that missed and killed innocents for fear of backlash of being American lapdogs. This is the exact reason Bill Clinton failed utterly with Bin Laden because he was too scared a miss like this or bad intelligence would lead to a PR nightmare. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...986114,00.html
"Last night Pakistan’s foreign ministry protested to the US ambassador over what it described as the “loss of innocent civilian lives”. Shaikh Rashid Ahmed, Pakistan’s minister of information, said: “We don’t know whether Zawahiri was there or not. We are investigating.”
Another senior government official insisted that Zawahiri was not in the village. “They acted on wrong information,” he said. One Pakistani intelligence officer claimed that Zawahiri had been present but the Americans had taken too long to react and “missed him by six hours”. "
That sounds like the goverment trying to protect itself from the backlash of something it knew was going to happen.
Well considering the US isnt being used as a base of operation for terrorist attacks on the French what exactly is your point? The only thing outrageous is your comparison.Imagine France doing an air-raid on a village in the US, where -following the French secret services- a terrorist ought to be. Only there is no terrorist, and xx civilians get killed. Really.
Non scholae sed vitae
It's outrageous that they just attempt to take somebody out. Supposidly they never learned the words 'fair trial', 'brutal murder', 'unjustified actions', ...
The killing of innocent civilians, is never justified, and always outrageously scandalous.
"Tempus edax rerum." Ovid, Metamorphoses
Under the patronage of Virgil.
Civitate
Evidently you dont know the words "admitted terrorist", yeah the US should just waltz in and arrest him probably provoking a bloodbath in a region that even Pakistan goverment is wary of entering for inciting mass riots of the rather radical population in that area. It is after all the reason these guys hide out in that region, they have alot of supporters.
Non scholae sed vitae
Of course the killing of innocent Pakistani with F16's won't provoke any problems at all.
Just admit there is no point in defending such a horrible deed, preformed by stupid :wub:s, lead by an even greater moron.
"Tempus edax rerum." Ovid, Metamorphoses
Under the patronage of Virgil.
Hack
Actually, they got the chief Al-Qaeda bomb-maker and WMD specialist, and also several prominent Al-Qaeda aides.
They may not have gotten 'the guy', but they certainly took out high-level terrorists. Success!!!
[There is no such thing as 'International Law' even if there are academic classes in it: governments are not moral institutions, they make laws, they sure as hell don't follow them. A government enforces a law not because it respects the spirit, but because it is determined to perpetuate itself.]
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Exactamondo. Im glad to see theres someone else who lives in the real world and not the slums of academia[There is no such thing as 'International Law' even if there are academic classes in it: governments are not moral institutions, they make laws, they sure as hell don't follow them. A government enforces a law not because it respects the spirit, but because it is determined to perpetuate itself.]
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