Empire Building in TATW

[ccllnply]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

[MasterBigAb]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

I knwo the feeling, I always have it in vanilla as well - feels to wrong to conquer north africa with prussia for example, or spain with france ^^

[ccllnply]

I knwo the feeling, I always have it in vanilla as well - feels to wrong to conquer north africa with prussia for example, or spain with france ^^

Yep, same for me. I would never conquer Spain with France. However, it's worse when it comes to Middle-earth.

[Natanael]

hi,

may be use a ship for an invasion of high elve territory with harad and the same with dwarve you can use from her west land a ship to invade harad... or declare a non lore war good vs good / evil vs evil..

[muller227]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

Historically challenged I believe is the PC term, suffer horribly from it even in Board games

[Protestant Knight]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

I do the some thing the only factions that I ever build empires with are Gondor, Mordor and Rhun and most of the time with Gondor I only start taking a lot of regions after the war of the ring years are almost over I like to build up first anyways. With Rhun I like to back stab Mordor and take out the orc factions but some time that dons not go to well

[Master Necromancer]

I have then very nice news for you all. (Hate to commercialize but whats a man gonna do. )

In the upcoming TATW Divide and Conquer if you play for instance the Dwarves you can only build your cities to the fullest in mountain regions and partially in others and there will be a nice surprise for the recruiting system.

This goes for all the other factions and some will have very special systems also. (Wait and see. )

[Protestant Knight]

I have then very nice news for you all. (Hate to commercialize but whats a man gonna do. )

In the upcoming TATW Divide and Conquer if you play for instance the Dwarves you can only build your cities to the fullest in mountain regions and partially in others and there will be a nice surprise for the recruiting system.

This goes for all the other factions and some will have very special systems also. (Wait and see. )

Sweet!!! that will be awesome

[DennisRoos]

I follow the lore at the beginning of the campaign, but when I have fulfilled my 'lore' goals, I start looking for other places to expand by making my own story.
For example, when playing as Dwarves I fought with the OotMM and OoG until I owned all of the Misty Mountains except for Moria, which was captured by the Silvan Elves. At this moment I pretty much completed my 'war of the ring/lore' goals, so I decided to attack the Silvan Elves. My reason was that they had taken Moria, and they probably stole many riches and desecrated the city.
At this point, I am pretty much roleplaying and thinking of reasons why other factions deserve to be 'incorporated' into my empire. Maybe later I think of reasons to attack Eriador, or Isengard.
So I allow myself to invent my own story and make a new history myself while trying to stay within Middle-Earth story and culture.

[Seleukos_I.]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

I have this too. Normally I just give those cities which don't really fit into my empire to other factions. E.g. every city that I conquer as the Dwarves from Rhûn I give to Dale.
The only exception is Gondor, because they once owned most of Middle-Earth.

[Celtichugs123]

One problem I've encountered while playing TATW, is myself. I enjoy the lore, the books and the movies, and because of that, my mind automatically sets bounderies for the way factions can expand. For instance, with the Dwarves, I feel that I can only into regions based in mountains, otherwise it would feel very weird and expanding into a forest is a definate no. With Harad, I feel that I can only conquer the coastal regions of Gondor and then go for Mithlond with Corsairs.

You get the idea. This just seems to happen Middle-earth mods. Anyone else get this?

I myself, am a totall 100% Lore Monkey So I totally understand and sympathsise!

However, in regards to Evil factions, I see no reasons why they shouldn't expand anywhere and everywhere!

In regards to Dale/Rohan, it is very pluasible and lore-ful for either to rule over the other. I do not mean battle and go to war with. But say, if Mordor invaded Rohan, Dale could inturn invade in a sort of "Free the Northmen" crusade. Or visa-versa. Infact, as Rohan I made a point of taking controll of the Anduin territories. A reconquesta of their forefathers' lands.

As the Dwarves, I see no reason why the would not controll lands in Rhovanion - I mean none-mountain areas. If you make a note in your head to think, they are not over lords merely protectors. I mean, by this time the Northmen (of Rhovanion) and the Dwarves are the best of friends. The Bardings get their metal/ores and weapons made/given to them by the Dwarves of Erebor.

That said, though, it is also plausible for the Men of Dale/Northmen of Rhovanion and the Dwarves to go to war. They once did before - which resulted due to the Dwarves killing a forefather of Eorl and ancester of Vidugavia over the hoards of Scatha. Perhaps, it would old tensions rising again? Perhaps if you are the Dwarves and see Dale taking a Upper Vale regions, you could say they found some of the old hoard and want it back?

Like I said, I am a huge lore monkey and a bit of a Tolkien scholour, but it is just a game. A game based a little of the movies which are in turn based on one man's interpritation. What would really be blasphemous would be making Ents fly, Saroun a goat draped in a pink dressing-gown and Aragorn a girl.

P.S, Mumford and Sons are a fantastic band. One of my favourates.

[Inkie]

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Conquering Rohan with Harad just seems kind of...Grotesque...Its why I tend to stop my campaigns once the 'initial' lore-based objectives are completed.

I tend to rp like DennisRoos and try to make my conquests logical. If only force diplomacy worked in Kingdoms...

[Rora Lion]

With Gondor, if taking the upper hand in the war of the ring, I imagine that Sauron, as a revenge, has made the Steward Denethor crazy trough the Palantir, and I declare war on Rohan to restore the ancient empire and the province of Calenardhon ...

[MasterBigAb]

Lol i thought I am the only one acting strangly like that, good to know you guys do so as well ^^

[|Sith|Duke_Spartacus]

meh, i do the same. I DO have to say i have it even worse with the roman empire. I just CANT expand beyond the rhine and towards india. I dont know, its compulsive or something.

[The_Gimp]

Seems we're all somehow in the same club with this.

Personally, I like the challenge of staying somewhat close to the lore ideas when expanding. It's a challenge I'm enjoying much more than simply "more stacks" or vh/vh raping.
Have been there, have done that.
After playing this game for years with all kind of mods, this way of playing gives the game so much more "flavor".

[Barsoom]

meh, i do the same. I DO have to say i have it even worse with the roman empire. I just CANT expand beyond the rhine and towards india. I dont know, its compulsive or something.

That's strange. Rome did try to conquer beyond the Rhine, at least to the Elbe, and also took Mesopotamia from Persia (although it didn't hold on to that very long either). No such limits for me in historical games. In TATW, it's different.

I conquered the remains of Eriador (4 provinces) in my first game, playing High Elves, but I felt bad about it. Even though the Free Peoples were threatening war on me first and even though I had no evil neighbours anymore (had to wait until Mordor stomped through Rohan first). Now I try to be good. Of course, misbehaving dwarves (I'm playing Silvan Elves at the moment) get punished severely and every province liberated from evil that didn't belong to a good faction first is fair game. I'm still in some doubt about swapping Rohan's northern territories along the Limlight for liberated ones further south. (I want a good road south for further conquest and of course I'd like Fangorn too.) I'm also not sure what to do with provinces that were occupied by evil but belonged to good factions originally, or territories that belonged to them in the books at least. I mean, I'll probably give Minas Tirith back to Gondor once I liberate it but perhaps I also shouldn't hold on to Ithilien. That's a tough one, though, because it would really complicate things if I wanted to expand beyond Mordor, which I need to get to 40 provinces.

[Protestant Knight]

Lol i thought I am the only one acting strangly like that, good to know you guys do so as well ^^

@ MasterBigAb LOL we all need to stick together , maybe we should start a group ?

[MasterBigAb]

Yes
Will do so

[Lord Uxbridge]

Lol i thought I am the only one acting strangly like that, good to know you guys do so as well ^^

I do this too, I have to rebuild the roman empire with the byzantine empire and always have to assassinate the pope at some point lol