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    Well last night I conquered messana with carthage, after building the level 4 government building I saw I could build toxotai. Are these worthless or just insane cheap. They've only got a upkeep of 89 mnai (and recruiting them is only about double them). The iberian velites cost more then double.

    P.S.: the iberian velites are recruitable in all my cities, don't know if that's a bug or not.
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    toxotai are fairly useess. They cant be used in melee like the numidian&iberian javilineers can be, and thier missle damage is very low for archers. They are good however if you need cheap archers where javilins wont do the trick,
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    In EB units costs are done on a per man basis. Toxotai units are very small, velites units are very large, thus the cost difference. I think Toxotai are more expensive per man, but I'd have to check.


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    type iberian velites
    dictionary iberian_velites ; Iberian Velites
    category infantry
    class skirmish
    voice_type Heavy_1
    soldier iberian_missile_velites_roman_leves, 50, 0, 1
    mount_effect elephant +3, chariot +4, horse -2
    attributes sea_faring, hide_long_grass, can_sap, hardy
    formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 5, 0, javelin, 57.75, 10, thrown, archery, piercing, spear, 8 ,1
    stat_pri_attr thrown
    stat_sec 9, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 1, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat -1
    stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
    stat_mental 9, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 698, 175, 30, 40, 698
    ownership egypt, spain, slave, romans_julii, romans_brutii, numidia, macedon, thrace, greek_cities, carthage, romans_scipii, parthia, gauls, britons, scythia, dacia, germans, armenia, pontus


    type greek toxotai
    dictionary greek_toxotai ; Toxotai
    category infantry
    class missile
    voice_type Light_1
    soldier hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 40, 0, 0.815
    mount_effect chariot +4, horse -2
    attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
    formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 3, square
    stat_health 1, 0
    stat_pri 2, 0, arrow, 128.7, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr no
    stat_sec 8, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.4
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 2, 6, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 1
    stat_ground 2, 0, 3, 0
    stat_mental 8, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 355, 89, 40, 60, 355
    ownership thrace, macedon, romans_julii, greek_cities, numidia, slave, romans_brutii, egypt, carthage, romans_scipii, gauls, britons, scythia, dacia, germans, spain, parthia, armenia, pontus

    Toxotai have 40 men in a unit: resulting in the following cost per man.
    -Training: 8,875
    -Upkeep: 2,225

    Iberian Velites have 50 men in a unit:
    - Training: 13,96
    - Upkeep: 3,5

    Well it seems the toxotai are worse in combat then the velites, but I think the difference doesn't really explains the difference in cost.

    EDIT: I just compared the Iberian Velites with the numidian Javelinmen, the same differences are present in the training/ upkeep costs, so you can forget this topic.
    There goes the human intellect: give them an inch, and they run a mile in the wrong direction.

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    Humm, that's wrong. Too many men in the toxotai unit. I'll have to fix that.


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