Toxotai

[general maximus decimus]

Well last night I conquered messana with carthage, after building the level 4 government building I saw I could build toxotai. Are these worthless or just insane cheap. They've only got a upkeep of 89 mnai (and recruiting them is only about double them). The iberian velites cost more then double.

P.S.: the iberian velites are recruitable in all my cities, don't know if that's a bug or not.

[O'brien the Protector]

toxotai are fairly useess. They cant be used in melee like the numidian&iberian javilineers can be, and thier missle damage is very low for archers. They are good however if you need cheap archers where javilins wont do the trick,

[QwertyMIDX]

In EB units costs are done on a per man basis. Toxotai units are very small, velites units are very large, thus the cost difference. I think Toxotai are more expensive per man, but I'd have to check.

[general maximus decimus]

type iberian velites
dictionary iberian_velites ; Iberian Velites
category infantry
class skirmish
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier iberian_missile_velites_roman_leves, 50, 0, 1
mount_effect elephant +3, chariot +4, horse -2
attributes sea_faring, hide_long_grass, can_sap, hardy
formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 5, 0, javelin, 57.75, 10, thrown, archery, piercing, spear, 8 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 9, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 1, 7, 1, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat -1
stat_ground 2, 1, 0, -1
stat_mental 9, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 698, 175, 30, 40, 698
ownership egypt, spain, slave, romans_julii, romans_brutii, numidia, macedon, thrace, greek_cities, carthage, romans_scipii, parthia, gauls, britons, scythia, dacia, germans, armenia, pontus


type greek toxotai
dictionary greek_toxotai ; Toxotai
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 40, 0, 0.815
mount_effect chariot +4, horse -2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 2, 0, arrow, 128.7, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 8, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.4
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 2, 6, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, 0, 3, 0
stat_mental 8, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 355, 89, 40, 60, 355
ownership thrace, macedon, romans_julii, greek_cities, numidia, slave, romans_brutii, egypt, carthage, romans_scipii, gauls, britons, scythia, dacia, germans, spain, parthia, armenia, pontus

Toxotai have 40 men in a unit: resulting in the following cost per man.
-Training: 8,875
-Upkeep: 2,225

Iberian Velites have 50 men in a unit:
- Training: 13,96
- Upkeep: 3,5

Well it seems the toxotai are worse in combat then the velites, but I think the difference doesn't really explains the difference in cost.

EDIT: I just compared the Iberian Velites with the numidian Javelinmen, the same differences are present in the training/ upkeep costs, so you can forget this topic.

[QwertyMIDX]

Humm, that's wrong. Too many men in the toxotai unit. I'll have to fix that.