Spain

**Cal** · January 03, 2011, 09:54 PM

is it worth abandoning a country completley to save italy? i have spain but my legions are fought out and arevenii have invaded what should i do?

**Drtad** · January 03, 2011, 10:11 PM

Well if you're sure you can't hold Italy otherwise...

**Striker** · January 03, 2011, 10:22 PM

You started quite a lot of threads since you joined the forum didn't you?

Anyway, Italy is way more important then Spain for Rome, If you can't hold Italy without abandoning Spain then do so!

**Jean=A=Luc** · January 03, 2011, 10:25 PM

No retreat. The Roman gods are watching, make sure they are not ashamed!

Raise taxes, lower the recruitment criteria, offer amnesty to criminals willing to fight, sell off the Avernii lands in advance, sacrifice some virgins, put a young general in command of your new army and get crackin'!

Audaces fortuna iuvat.

**Striker** · January 03, 2011, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jean=A=Luc

No retreat. The Roman gods are watching, make sure they are not ashamed!

Raise taxes, lower the recruitment criteria, offer amnesty to criminals willing to fight, sell off the Avernii lands in advance, sacrifice some virgins, put a young general in command of your new army and get crackin'!

Audaces fortuna iuvat.

lol the "Captain of Seriousness" title you had some time ago really doesn't suit you

**drecie14** · January 04, 2011, 01:14 AM

Well you could if you want to...

Spain's mines can help you start out again...
However, You have to make sure you really can't hold Italy anymore...

Abandoning Italy and Rome is synonymous to Heresy, Treachery, and Desecration...

**Silius Saurus** · January 04, 2011, 03:38 AM

I consider Spain vital to Rome. The mines there are a huge potential income source, and there are a number of numbered Legions that can be raised there. Once secured and with Carthage out of the picture, it is easily defended.

**Nota'** · January 04, 2011, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Silius Saurus

I consider Spain vital to Rome. The mines there are a huge potential income source, and there are a number of numbered Legions that can be raised there. Once secured and with Carthage out of the picture, it is easily defended.

I only conquered spain at teh very end of my roman campaign. Never developed it to Legion recruiting standards lol

**DarthLazy** · January 04, 2011, 09:42 AM

Not worth leaving both greece and SPain. YOu can hold both. (sorry for my caps this laptop is stupid

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**bigmilt16** · January 04, 2011, 10:09 AM

I used to always abandon Spain to turtle and defend Italy. However, in my latest campaign run, I decided to try and hold Spain (and Greece) at all costs from the beginning. It is possible but it will take real patience (20-30 years following the rebellion), and a relentless perseverance to hold 1-3 cities in Spain until your military is developed enough to mount a real offensive:

1. set and keep taxes at high;

2. If you want to hold Greece too, DO NOT expand into cispaline Gaul (Genoa, Bononia). It is simply impossible to wage a 3-front war early in the campaign. Not expanding into N. Italy, creates a Boii, Greek, and Carthaginian buffer between you and the bloodthirsty Averni. Those in the buffer will rarely if ever attack you, giving you precious gold and manpower to put towards Spain/Greece.

3. Get an alliance with the Gallecei EARLY! This is VERY IMPORTANT, because Carthage will try to get an alliance with the Gallecei early in the campaign. If they are successful, Carthage and the Gallecei will eventually double team you and boot you out of Spain. Do whatever it takes to get that alliance.

4. build roads! (you need to get troops across Italy to ports fast as you will be reinforcing on an emergency basis every turn)

5. as soon as you conquer a new city in Spain: form an alliance with the Senate, get a governor in place ASAP, and repopulate the settlement. This will give you an instant local army to help defend the newly conquered city.

6. With your leftover money, get Italy on the track to the polybian reforms ASAP. If you choose to hold Greece and Spain, you will not be able to hold more than 1-3 cities in Spain without the polybian reforms and advanced barracks in Spain to recruit local generals. If you abandon Greece, you may fair better in Spain faster, although I don't endorse that plan.

good luck

**Nota'** · January 04, 2011, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by bigmilt16

5. as soon as you conquer a new city in Spain: form an alliance with the Senate, get a governor in place ASAP, and repopulate the settlement. This will give you an instant local army to help defend the newly conquered city.

Eh what. I didnt know the senate appeared in the game O.o apart from as traits.

**bigmilt16** · January 04, 2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by [100]jplay.TGC

Eh what. I didnt know the senate appeared in the game O.o apart from as traits.

This is simulated by building a client/allied state after govt. determination. sorry

**DarthLazy** · January 05, 2011, 01:56 AM

WHy do you turtle? Its going ot be easier if you go on the offensive from the start

**bigmilt16** · January 05, 2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by |Sith|2|Lazyo

WHy do you turtle? Its going ot be easier if you go on the offensive from the start

I totally agree with that (In my latest campaign I tried holding Greece and Spain and it was slow, put I eventually made steady progress). I just run into problems with the Gauls-I never seem to have enough resources leftover to hold them off. The folks on this forum have some helpful tips though.

**dl_iepurasu** · January 05, 2011, 04:54 PM

The campaign i am now playing ran surprisingly smooth. Pushed Carthage and Macedon kind of slow but steady, had some problems when the Gallecei joined in for the fight, but managed to get them. After getting Pella, Greece was mine as well. Avernii never posed a real threat, took city after city.

The thing is, I'm sure I'm not such a pro player...was just wondering why things are running so well