Christians - How would you deal with this situation?

[VALIS]

You and your loved ones (spouse, child, parent, sibling) are kidnapped.
The kidnappers are threatning to kill you all. You've been a good Christian/been saved and feel pretty good about your chances of going to heaven when you die. Your loved ones on the other hand have lived sinful lives and you're pretty sure that they will go to hell if they were to die right now.

Your kidnappers offer you two choices:

1. They can kill you both - you'll go to heaven and your loved one will go to hell.

or

2. You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die.

[Biggreenfellow]

I'm not a Christian, but any man that wouldn't make that sacrifice to safe his family, is no man at all, and will, in fact, deserve to go to Hell anyway.

Chances are, though, that the kidnappers will pop them all anyways.

[Darth_Revan]

I'm not a Christian, but any man that wouldn't make that sacrifice to safe his family, is no man at all, and will, in fact, deserve to go to Hell anyway.

Chances are, though, that the kidnappers will pop them all anyways.

so true, I would sacrifice myself

[Copperknickers II]

2, no question. God would understand that you were sacrificing yourself for others, so you'd get into heaven anyway.

[MathiasOfAthens]

2, no question. God would understand that you were sacrificing yourself for others, so you'd get into heaven anyway.

/Thread.

If there is a god then he would still let you into some wonderful paradise even if you rejected his religion. His only requirement should be afterall that you were good. Otherwise the requirements into paradise would constantly change as they have through the long history of the Catholic Church.

[Grobar]

You and your loved ones (spouse, child, parent, sibling) are kidnapped.
The kidnappers are threatning to kill you all. You've been a good Christian/been saved and feel pretty good about your chances of going to heaven when you die. Your loved ones on the other hand have lived sinful lives and you're pretty sure that they will go to hell if they were to die right now.

Your kidnappers offer you two choices:

1. They can kill you both - you'll go to heaven and your loved one will go to hell.

or

2. You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die.

"And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?"-Jesus Christ
What benefit do you have if every human being ever born is saved thanks to you but your own soul goes to hell for eternity. First couple of seconds in sulphur lake will make you regret ever being born, let alone committing apostasy to save others. God neither wants you to make sacrifice like that nor will save you anyway if you do.
There is an alternative ending to your situation. His loved one confesses christian faith, they both die for Christ and they both go to Heaven as the blood of martyrs washes away all sins.

[Horsa]

I think God would understand that you are only saying it to save your family. Such a selfless act could also lead to your family becoming Christians themselves.

I would go 2, but never mean it, and be pretty damn angry about it.

[Viking Prince]

I have no idea what God would think. I do know that Peter denied Christ three times before the rooster crowed. He seems to have passed the test regarding heaven.

[SigniferOne]

You and your loved ones (spouse, child, parent, sibling) are kidnapped.
The kidnappers are threatning to kill you all. You've been a good Christian/been saved and feel pretty good about your chances of going to heaven when you die. Your loved ones on the other hand have lived sinful lives and you're pretty sure that they will go to hell if they were to die right now.

Your kidnappers offer you two choices:

1. They can kill you both - you'll go to heaven and your loved one will go to hell.

or

2. You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die.

Questions of judgment are far less scientifically known, so I'm sorry to say that the premise for this thread is not there.

If I had to guess, I'd guess the second option though, but only if they were allowed to reform their lives, and were known to indeed have reformed their lives.

[Caliph]

This is quite easy for a monotheist to answer.

You and your loved ones (spouse, child, parent, sibling) are kidnapped.
The kidnappers are threatning to kill you all. You've been a good Christian/been saved and feel pretty good about your chances of going to heaven when you die. Your loved ones on the other hand have lived sinful lives and you're pretty sure that they will go to hell if they were to die right now.

This is your 1st wrong assumption. I can't assume with any level of certainity that anyone is going to Hell. I am not the judge of anyone's life, God is. God forgives whomever He wishes to forgive.

Your kidnappers offer you two choices:

1. They can kill you both - you'll go to heaven and your loved one will go to hell.

Not taking this option. Again, your assumption is flawed.

or

2. You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die.

I won't spend an eternity in hell for tricking a bunch of murders into saving my own family. It's completely illogical. God knows what's in everyone's hearts, including mine, and He knows how strong my faith is despite my abominable behaviour in front of my captors.

[Blaze86420]

This is quite easy for a monotheist to answer.



This is your 1st wrong assumption. I can't assume with any level of certainity that anyone is going to Hell. I am not the judge of anyone's life, God is. God forgives whomever He wishes to forgive.




Not taking this option. Again, your assumption is flawed.



I won't spend an eternity in hell for tricking a bunch of murders into saving my own family. It's completely illogical. God knows what's in everyone's hearts, including mine, and He knows how strong my faith is despite my abominable behaviour in front of my captors.

This.



I hate questions like these, I get them all the time from this guy. According to his scenario though, instead of renouncing my faith and spitting on my bible I have to eat pork...

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

2. Because for me it symply doesn't work like that.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

2. You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die.

renouncing your faith and life to save others is like the ultimate sacrifce, it certainly wouldn't send you to hell.

[Monarchist]

renouncing your faith and life to save others is like the ultimate sacrifce, it certainly wouldn't send you to hell.

This is fundamentally against the Christian attitude. Early martyrs laid down their lives in order to show others that they had not renounced the faith. The entire point is to believe in God and have faith in Him with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. I would chose Option 1 without any hesitation, because I don't believe in predestination. If my family was killed and went to Hell, it would be their own faults for consistently refusing to investigate theology. If my family was killed and went to Heaven, it would be for their inner repentance, and God's mercy. Never mind your bizarre situations!

[Biggreenfellow]

This is fundamentally against the Christian attitude. Early martyrs laid down their lives in order to show others that they had not renounced the faith. The entire point is to believe in God and have faith in Him with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. I would chose Option 1 without any hesitation, because I don't believe in predestination. If my family was killed and went to Hell, it would be their own faults for consistently refusing to investigate theology. If my family was killed and went to Heaven, it would be for their inner repentance, and God's mercy. Never mind your bizarre situations!

For someone who claims concern for the everlasting soul of non-believers, you're pretty darned careless with those of your own family.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

This is fundamentally against the Christian attitude. Early martyrs laid down their lives in order to show others that they had not renounced the faith. The entire point is to believe in God and have faith in Him with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. I would chose Option 1 without any hesitation, because I don't believe in predestination. If my family was killed and went to Hell, it would be their own faults for consistently refusing to investigate theology. If my family was killed and went to Heaven, it would be for their inner repentance, and God's mercy. Never mind your bizarre situations!

you're not renouncing your faitht o save your own life but other's

[Monarchist]

you're not renouncing your faitht o save your own life but other's

Why would I want to renounce my faith to save unfaithful people? That would just put more people in Hell, in the end. The life of this world is not important, but the life of the higher world is.

[Gromovnik]

Regarding this thread, you have to be pretty... creative to come up with something like that.

[basics]

" You renounce your faith, curse God, spit on the Bible - any other sin that would condemn to you hell - and are killed on the spot without a possibility to repent. You will die and have to spend an eternity in hell but the kidnappers won't kill your loved onse and send them to hell, they will let their lives and they will have a chance to fix their lives and go to heaven when they eventually die. "

Duke,

I happen to be in the position you mention because none of my children are born again so mum and I may well find ourselves facing similar. It is written however that God will never test you to the point of being unable to bear the consequences of being Christian, so I put all my faith in Him to deliver us from that sort of difficulty.

That said, my children are aware that they could be called out of this world at any time, indeed my eldest always points out that what will be will be, already knowing that he and his siblings are under condemnation. Therefore as you can imagine I never go to sleep without praying that they will be washed in the blood of the Lamb and that they return home safely each day.

In direct answer to the question Jesus Christ never once uttered the words you suggest even as He knew His Father could do nothing for Him yet you put me into the position of choosing between my Saviour or my children so my answer must be the same. To turn from God in the hope that perhaps they might be saved is not an option else Jesus Christ died in vain. We answer to God as individuals and we knew that before we had children.

I would die for them, let's be sure of that, but I know in my heart of hearts that I could never put them before my God and the thing is they know that too. It is written that once having tasted the Holy Spirit there is no more repentence so that doesn't even come into the equation. Put the boot on the other foot and consider would any of you who are unbelievers die for anyone of us who are?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

why does it please God that people go to hell?

What kind of psycopath would want anyone to experience eternal torture. Eternal. It will never end. There is nothing anyone can do to deserve that, not even Hitler, not even the most twisted pedophile serial killer. Yet God sends people to hell for not believing in him?

And if this life is not important, why does it matter what we do to each other? That morality is flawed.