The Central Powers always lose

**Gigan** · January 02, 2011, 06:03 PM

Does this happen to anyone else? France is able to field enormous armies and flatten Germany, and Austria Hungary does nothing while slowly being eaten up by Russia. Even when I modified the files to give the Central Powers more money they still got destroyed.

**a tw player** · January 02, 2011, 06:40 PM

Axis=WW2, Central Powers/Triple Alliance=WW1

Technicalities aside though, yes this unfortunately was a problem in that startpos; as a result of France being too aggressive (maintaining a special ability like the France in vanilla game to win more battles even if they are balanced) and Germany not aggressive enough. Also Germany can't really recruit too many units because of city sizes being relatively small in Germany. These problems should be fixed in StartposV2 however, which should vastly improve the single player experience with the changes

**Gigan** · January 02, 2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by a tw player

Axis=WW2, Central Powers/Triple Alliance=WW1

Technicalities aside though, yes this unfortunately was a problem in that startpos; as a result of France being too aggressive (maintaining a special ability like the France in vanilla game to win more battles even if they are balanced) and Germany not aggressive enough. Also Germany can't really recruit too many units because of city sizes being relatively small in Germany. These problems should be fixed in StartposV2 however, which should vastly improve the single player experience with the changes

Oh so thats why French conscripts have 11 morale.

**King Sama** · January 02, 2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sematrix

Oh so thats why French conscripts have 11 morale.

That is because the french general napoleon gives hige morale and stat benefits to the french faction, even outside of battle

**General Aleksandrovich** · January 08, 2011, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by King Sama

That is because the french general napoleon gives hige morale and stat benefits to the french faction, even outside of battle

One thing yeah, I had 2 units of AlpenKorps and 3 units of armed citizenry and I was trying to hold a star fort against a 4000 strong attack by Raimund Bonaparte.......

I killed 3000 and lost around 200....... Learn some tactics if you are getting beaten, XD.

**King Sama** · January 08, 2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by General Aleksandrovich

One thing yeah, I had 2 units of AlpenKorps and 3 units of armed citizenry and I was trying to hold a star fort against a 4000 strong attack by Raimund Bonaparte.......

I killed 3000 and lost around 200....... Learn some tactics if you are getting beaten, XD.

uh... I don't think anyones complaining about losing to france

The problem is that the french ai (or human) almost always defeats germany and this makes for a somewhat boring game as the entente

But this will be fixed or at least very much imporved come startpos v2.

Germany had one of the greatest armies in the world during WWI

It also does in the mod, except for the aformentioned bonuses.

**lilbrit73** · January 03, 2011, 12:57 AM

No, need to hassle,just mod and give the German's high stats, then give yourself equally high stats, lower France stats, and there is no limit to as how high they can go from my experience.

**RO Citizen** · January 03, 2011, 11:38 AM

In the next version this will be fixed, as Napoleon and his huge bonused will be removed

**Achea** · January 03, 2011, 05:28 PM

Are the ahistorical leaders just being removed or are historical ones also being added?

**RO Citizen** · January 04, 2011, 05:42 AM

Both of them.

**~~removeduser_23847628374234~~** · January 08, 2011, 12:27 PM

Germany had one of the greatest armies in the world during WWI

**SerbianInfantry** · January 08, 2011, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Vs 002

Germany had one of the greatest armies in the world during WWI

We know, they won the war after all. Wait what?

Relax, they said they'll fix it in newer verion...

**RuleBritannia** · January 11, 2011, 08:57 PM

Germany's troops should have higher stats.

**Piledriver2311** · January 13, 2011, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by RuleBritannia

Germany's troops should have higher stats.

Well, they have high stats already. When generals are Implimented of historical accuracy, I think Germany's generals should have high stats, as German had the best commanders (junior, and mid level).
such as: Herman Von Francois. This Commander of 1st corps of the German 8th army, was daring to say the least. He saw oppourtunities on the eastern front and took to them, He struck at Russia's Renenkampf's army, declaring to his superior "Herman von Francois will only withdraw after the Russians are defeated.", Which he did.

Von Francois played a critical role in the battle of tannenberg as well. His superiors ordered him to not advance any further than he did in the beggining of the battle, Ignoring orderes, he gradually worked his way 'round the russians flank and encircled Samsonov's army, resulting in they're defeat.

This man single handedly altered the mind set of the command of the German army. German commanders were advised, afterward to act on they're own initative, unlike many allied commanders, who simply complied with orders.

**RuleBritannia** · January 13, 2011, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cassador de evora

Well, they have high stats already. When generals are Implimented of historical accuracy, I think Germany's generals should have high stats, as German had the best commanders (junior, and mid level).
such as: Herman Von Francois. This Commander of 1st corps of the German 8th army, was daring to say the least. He saw oppourtunities on the eastern front and took to them, He struck at Russia's Renenkampf's army, declaring to his superior "Herman von Francois will only withdraw after the Russians are defeated.", Which he did.

Von Francois played a critical role in the battle of tannenberg as well. His superiors ordered him to not advance any further than he did in the beggining of the battle, Ignoring orderes, he gradually worked his way 'round the russians flank and encircled Samsonov's army, resulting in they're defeat.

This man single handedly altered the mind set of the command of the German army. German commanders were advised, afterward to act on they're own initative, unlike many allied commanders, who simply complied with orders.

Germany's always had the best generals.

It was leaders from the German region that fiercely repulsed the Romans, whom had the greatest army in the world at the time. They possessed one of the most feared Knight orders, the Teutonics, of the Middle Ages, whose leaders were dreaded by the world. In the mid-1700s, they fought back both French and Austrian assaults, mainly thanks to Frederick II. In the 1800s, Blucher was invaluable to Wellington's victory over Napoleon. In the late 1800s, the German Federation decisively crushed the French Empire thanks to their highly-skilled leaders. In WWI, they revolutionized modern warfare. In WWII, they revolutionized combined arms mechanized combat.

I think Germany has every right to have extremely high-ranked generals in the mod.