I grow tired

[Archontis]

of ss6.3 ai economy.Even the smallest faction has 20 full stacks in the late campaign i mean when you first start everything is normal but after 40-45 turns every faction even with one province has 15-20 full stacks.I mean guys your mod is perfect in terms of graphic,units etc but this is an extremely serious problem that ruines the gameplay i tried in every difficulty but this problem still exists.
If there isnt a way to get rid of it i would like to download ss6.2 i havent played it before...Does it have the same problem?Which of the two versions that exist do you suggest for me to download?

[Ichon]

Are you getting these huge enemy stacks on medium or what difficulty are you playing? VH gives AI some bonus money and stacks.

[Asterix]

of ss6.3 ai economy.Even the smallest faction has 20 full stacks in the late campaign i mean when you first start everything is normal but after 40-45 turns every faction even with one province has 20-25 full stacks.I mean guys your mod is perfect in terms of graphic,units etc but this is an extremely serious problem that ruines the gameplay i tried in every difficulty but this problem still exists.
If there isnt a way to get rid of it i would like to download ss6.2 i havent played it before...Does it have the same problem?Which of the two versions that exist do you suggest for me to download?

hmmm... maybe its because i play on M/M usually, but i generally don't have this problem.
I believe in order to compensate for AI stupidity, they get money to provide them with armies to make the game more challenging. the AI is undoubtedly better than in vanilla, but still, it has its limitations. I don't think going back to 6.2 will help you-i'm pretty sure it has the same thing. 6.3 is better, anyway.

[Archontis]

i am getting huge stacks at medium and also at easy i've tried both and still the ai always(even with one settlement)has 5-6 full stacks at least when it only has one settlement it isnt obvious at first but when you toggle_fow you notice this

i use fixes and sub mod compilation i always use OST and savage ai does it have to do with these maybe?

easy difficulty example late campaign these + 3 full stacks at africa
they only have 5 towns
i didn't use a single cheat(if that changes something)the money is from my income (+150000 per turn)
guys i really want to know how you play(what do you choose)and you dont have these problems

we have already discussed the problem here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=409931
and there wasn't a solution i just want to know if there is a ss that doesnt have this problem or with what options it doesnt exist

[SirRobin]

I play 6.2 on m/m and don't have that problem.

[Mr. Sorrow]

This is something you just have to get used to... The very late campaign is stack spamfest and if AI can cheat...well I can always use naval invasions and take its empty cities with minimal losses. The way I see it AI cheats, but through use of your wit and brain you cheat much more :-) . Poor CAI...

[k/t]

Play RR/RC. I've never seen that there. Not anything even close to this.

Or remove the massive AI bonuses.

[Archontis]

Play RR/RC. I've never seen that there. Not anything even close to this.

Or remove the massive AI bonuses.

you mean 6.2 with them right? Can I install it on top of ss6.3 or i will have to unistall it

and how can i remove them i want a challenge but i want something realistic they have 5 settlements ok they should have 2 full stack elite armies at best but not 7 or 8

[Czin]

Play RR/RC. I've never seen that there. Not anything even close to this.

Or remove the massive AI bonuses.

Even in RR/RC, within a matter of a few dozen turns every remaining faction will probably have a big enough military to be rated as Supreme in the Diplomacy Scroll's Might section. Well in the late campaign any way. Even a one region faction will have enough men to still be rated as "Supreme". In my current Roman Empire game, the Holy Roman empire is reduced to Austria after suffering it's typical late campaign early game post-exocommunication critical existence failure, yet is still rated as supreme with a full stack sitting in vienna and quite a few armies waltzing around fighting off Hungary, though it's ascendant ally Venice is probably also factoring into it's survival. What I'm saying is that even with RR/RC, if an A.I factions last region has a sufficiently well developed settlement and enough men camped in it, it will survive to constantly muster armies to swat away much larger A.I factions trying to eliminate it.

[Archontis]

is there a way to force the ai to make armies that are equal to their total income?

[k/t]

It must be somewhere in the campaign_script.txt. There are some sections about AI money bonuses. I don't know anything more specific than that.

For information about RR/RC: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1397

[KoalaAkbar]

of ss6.3 ai economy.Even the smallest faction has 20 full stacks in the late campaign i mean when you first start everything is normal but after 40-45 turns every faction even with one province has 15-20 full stacks.I mean guys your mod is perfect in terms of graphic,units etc but this is an extremely serious problem that ruines the gameplay i tried in every difficulty but this problem still exists.
If there isnt a way to get rid of it i would like to download ss6.2 i havent played it before...Does it have the same problem?Which of the two versions that exist do you suggest for me to download?

i feel ur pain...
im tired of seeing factions with one region posessing stacks upon stacks of armies. It really is a pain in the arse when youre trying to conquer iberia but Portugal has 20 stacks around its last region..

[Marcvs Antonivs]

Even in 6.2 that happens. And you don't need to put them with only 2 or 3 regions to understand that. While I'm the Holy Roman Empire and have all of France+Germany+baltic states+milan&genoa (that is around 40 regions total) I can field up to 6 to 8 full stack armies + construction on every cities. The AI has almost the same amount of armies as I do, even if it only has around 8 regions.

[Ichon]

What are those armies made of though?

As HRE you might be able to field only 6 full stacks of elite troops but how many elite troops in the AI armies? You can field roughly 2x as many militia or more as you can elite professionals for the same cost.

[Marcvs Antonivs]

actually only 1 of them is an elite army.

[Ichon]

Of you own or the enemy stacks?

? With 40 regions you are doing something wrong if you can only afford that few stacks and mostly non elites. You should be making at least 60,000 per turn... in my current campaign I have 22 regions and income over 65,000 per turn on turn 80. With army expenses of 24,000 from 6 nearly full elite stacks plus max garrisons, large fleet, and a few smaller random armies moving around.

If only one of the enemy stacks is relatively good units then that is not so bad. 8 stacks of militias from 8 regions... that is a good ratio for AI.

[Marcvs Antonivs]

of my own. Of course I have DFK but not Gothic or Imperial Knights. Not Elite at all but no militias as well. Besides I have large fleets as well and constructing in every province. I have a small surplus depending on construction yet, but I don't want to push it to the max of my economy just yet. I have to modernize all of my armies and see where it gets to.

[Archontis]

with france i have france(of course)+germany+spain+britain and still i can field 10 good stacks i have an income of nearly 150.0000 i dont think that the ai with an income of 20-30.000(with 5 settlements) should be able to field the same stacks

[Ichon]

with france i have france(of course)+germany+spain+britain and still i can field 10 good stacks i have an income of nearly 150.0000 i dont think that the ai with an income of 20-30.000(with 5 settlements) should be able to field the same stacks

If they started with more than 5 regions it seems ok, or if they were at peace a long time and built of extra money and manpower. Only times it might be questionable is when in constant war the AI can do something like that. Of course if you are fighting them those 10 stacks will disappear fast. Especially if they are divided only 2-3 per region. Your armies can concentrate and crush them. The AI needs some help unless you enjoy fighting only a few half stack armies scattered in weird places.

[Archontis]

Sicily(example) started with less than five settlements they are at war with two faction and they still have big armies i just dont want so many stacks wihtout sense if they had made a good elite army with gold chevrons or something io would be satisfied because it depicts their economy and it is elite with experienced soldiers and a good general so it fun to fight with this stack