Was wondering which factions correspond to vanilla TW factions

**RZZZA** · December 31, 2010, 01:46 AM

hello. I'm trying to use the diplomatic_stance <faction_a> <faction_b> <allied/neutral/war> cheat but it's not working. I assume I need to put in the vanilla MTW II factions in the faction A and faction B brackets instead of what you renamed them to in this mod.

I'm trying to get Dunland to break their alliance with Isengard. You see, I've made Dunland my vassal and now I want to declare war on Isengard. Doing so, however, breaks my vassalage with Dunland.

So could you tell me which factions Dunland and Isengard actually are in Vanilla so I can see if this cheat works?

Thanks a bunch

edit: oh crap, i forgot to mention that I'm using the mod that adds Dunland into the game. I should probably ask this in the submod forum...

**TMK** · December 31, 2010, 04:46 AM

Wouldn't that be in the expanded.txt file?

**Mikail Mengsk** · December 31, 2010, 05:37 AM

gondor = sicily

isengard = france

dwarves = moors

silvan = scotland?

rohan = milan

eriador = turks

Rhun = venice

mordor = hre?

don't remember the rest, sorry. Pretty easy to know, however. Just check descr_start and look at which faction has some well-known settlements.

**drecie14** · December 31, 2010, 05:50 AM

Timurids = The Fellowship
Venice = Rhun
Sicily = Gondor
Milan = Rohan
Papal states = Dark Lord of Mordor
Egypt = High Elves
Scotland = Dale
Mongols = Silvan Elves
Turks = Free Peoples of Eriador
France = Isengard
HRE = OOTMM
England = Mordor
Portugal = OOG
Byzantium = Arnor
Moors = Dwarves
Spain = Harad

**brasswire** · December 31, 2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by drecie14

Timurids = The Fellowship
Venice = Rhun
Sicily = Gondor
Milan = Rohan
Papal states = Dark Lord of Mordor
Egypt = High Elves
Scotland = Dale
Mongols = Silvan Elves
Turks = Free Peoples of Eriador
France = Isengard
HRE = OOTMM
England = Mordor
Portugal = OOG
Byzantium = Arnor
Moors = Dwarves
Spain = Harad

That's interesting. Not knowing any better, I would have assumed the Dwarves were Scotland since they have Scottish sound bytes (not just the accent, one of their clips even says "A good day for Scotland" which is a bit annoying). Anyone know for what reasons various states were chosen? Or is it just more of a random thing?

DL of Morder makes sense since Sauron is the Pope, but I'm wondering if there are specific reasons for any of the other choices.

**Gondor** · December 31, 2010, 12:08 PM

Hehe. Sauron is the pope.

**DennisRoos** · January 01, 2011, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by drecie14

Timurids = The Fellowship
Venice = Rhun
Sicily = Gondor
Milan = Rohan
Papal states = Dark Lord of Mordor
Egypt = High Elves
Scotland = Dale
Mongols = Silvan Elves
Turks = Free Peoples of Eriador
France = Isengard
HRE = OOTMM
England = Mordor
Portugal = OOG
Byzantium = Arnor
Moors = Dwarves
Spain = Harad

Why are only the Western European factions evil?
Venice, France, Rome, England, HRE, Portugal and Spain.
Does King Kong think Western Europeans are EVIL?

**The Holy Pilgrim** · January 01, 2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by DennisRoos

Why are only the Western European factions evil?
Venice, France, Rome, England, HRE, Portugal and Spain.
Does King Kong think Western Europeans are EVIL?

Western European = Christian = Dark Servants of Sauron

Christian Leader = Pope = Sauron

So I'm guessing that's why he did it

**Afonso the Conqueror** · January 01, 2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Holy Pilgrim

Western European = Christian = Dark Servants of Sauron

Christian Leader = Pope = Sauron

So I'm guessing that's why he did it

plus, crusades can only be joint by christian factions

**JorisofHolland** · December 31, 2010, 10:12 AM

That 'cheat' doesn't work in the console. It has to be put into a script.

**RZZZA** · December 31, 2010, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by JorisofHolland

That 'cheat' doesn't work in the console. It has to be put into a script.

yeah, it's not working. shame :/

**JorisofHolland** · January 01, 2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by RZZZA

yeah, it's not working. shame :/

I'm not sure if it's still possible, but in RTW you had 'show_me_how' scripts, that could be used in the middle of a campaign. Perhaps you could use that?

**drecie14** · January 01, 2011, 07:41 AM

That's interesting. Not knowing any better, I would have assumed the Dwarves were Scotland since they have Scottish sound bytes (not just the accent, one of their clips even says "A good day for Scotland" which is a bit annoying). Anyone know for what reasons various states were chosen? Or is it just more of a random thing?

that's what it said on the factions list anyway...
I'm guessing they gave the dwarves the scottish voices...
I think they chose the factions by their colors...
that its much easier to change their color from dark blue to light blue or something
I think...

**JorisofHolland** · January 02, 2011, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by drecie14

that's what it said on the factions list anyway...
I'm guessing they gave the dwarves the scottish voices...
I think they chose the factions by their colors...
that its much easier to change their color from dark blue to light blue or something
I think...

No, it's just a matter of changing some numbers in a .txt file, doesn't matter to which ones really.

**Yarrum** · January 01, 2011, 06:15 PM

Yeah, it was for convenience. It saved having to change the religion and religious buildings of those factions.

**Nirnaeth Arnoediad** · January 02, 2011, 06:43 AM

Chistian = religion.

The evil factions have all the eastern culture (excepted ruhn and harad that are middle-east of course).

Concerning the choice of the faction, it's not about colors, because changing colors is very easy. It's just... hum... really, no specific reasons excepted for the pope.