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    COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Police in Denmark and Sweden halted an imminent terrorist attack Wednesday by arresting five men who planned to shoot as many people as possible in a building housing the newsroom of a paper that published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, officials said.

    Denmark's intelligence service said that after months of surveillance it arrested four men in two raids in suburbs of the capital, Copenhagen, and seized a submachine gun, a silencer and ammunition. Swedish police said they arrested a 37-year-old Swedish citizen of Tunisian origin living in Stockholm.

    "An imminent terror attack has been foiled," said Jakob Scharf, head of the Danish Security and Intelligence Service, or PET. He described some the suspects as "militant Islamists with relations to international terror networks" and said that more arrests were possible.
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    PET said it seized a 44-year-old Tunisian, a 29-year-old Lebanese-born man and a 30-year-old who were living in Sweden and had entered Denmark late Tuesday or early Wednesday. The fourth person detained was a 26-year-old Iraqi asylum-seeker living in Copenhagen.

    The Danish intelligence service said the group had been planning to enter the building where the Jyllands-Posten daily has its Copenhagen newsdesk and "to kill as many of the people present as possible." The four men face preliminary charges of attempting to carry out an act of terrorism. They will face a custody hearing Thursday.

    "I am shocked that a group of people have concrete plans to commit a serious terrorist attack in this country," Danish Prime Minister Loekke Rasmussen told reporters. "I want to stress that regardless of today's event it remains my conviction that terrorism must not lead us to change our open society and our values, especially democracy and free speech."

    Danish and Swedish police, who appeared at a joint new conference with Loekke Rasmussen in Copenhagen, said they had been tailing the suspects for several months.

    Anders Danielsson, the head of Sweden's security police, said they had followed a car rented by the suspects from Stockholm to the Danish border.

    "We knew that there were weapons in the car," he said.

    Zubair Butt Hussain, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Denmark, called the plan "extremely worrying."

    The organization "absolutely condemns any act of terrorism regardless of the motives and motivations that may lie behind," Hussain said.

    There have been at least four plots to attack Jyllands-Posten or Kurt Westergaard, the artist who drew the most contentious of 12 cartoons, which were published by the daily in 2005 as a challenge to perceived self-censorship.

    "The foiled plot is a direct attack on democracy and freedom of press," Westergaard told the German tabloid Bild. "We may not and won't let anyone forbid us to criticize radical Islamism. We may not be intimidated when it comes to our values."

    In January, a Somali man broke into Westergaard's home wielding an ax and a knife but the artist escaped unharmed by locking himself in a safe-room in the house. In 2008, two Tunisians with Danish residence permits were arrested for plotting to kill him.

    In September, a man was wounded when a letter bomb he was preparing exploded in a Copenhagen hotel. Police said it was intended for the daily, which also has been targeted in a number of thwarted terror plots in Norway and the United States.

    U.S. citizen Tahawwur Rana faces trial in Chicago in February in connection with the 2008 terrorist attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai and a planned attack on the Jyllands-Posten.

    The cartoons also provoked massive and violent protests in 2006 in Muslim countries where demonstrators considered the drawings as having profoundly insulted Islam. Islamic law generally opposes any depiction of the prophet, even favorable, for fear it could lead to idolatry.

    In 2008, the Danish Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, was targeted by a car bomb that killed six people outside the mission.

    The attacks and threats have caused concern and unprecedented security measures in Denmark, a country that prides itself on personal freedom and openness.

    The JPPOL media group building, which includes Jyllands-Posten, is protected by metal fences and guards at all entrances. Mail is scanned and newspaper staff need identity cards to enter the buildings and the various floors.

    Lars Munch, JPPOL chief executive, said his workers were worried.

    "It is appalling for our group, for our employees and their families to see their workplace threatened," Munch said.

    Scharf said "there was no need to raise the terror threat alert level" in Denmark, although Danish Justice Minister Lars Barfoed described the plot as "terrifying."

    "The group's plan to kill as many as possible is very frightening and is probably the most serious terror attempt in Denmark," Barfoed said.

    The head of Sweden's security police, Anders Danielsson, said that "it has been possible to avert a serious terror crime in Denmark through efficient and close cooperation between PET and the (Swedish) security police."

    Danielsson said the suspects who are residents in Sweden also are being investigated for suspected terror crimes in that country.
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    Ok, I know, this has nothing to do with Islam. But why are so many Muslims willing to commit murder because of a cartoon?

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    Where were they on draw mohammad day?

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    Well, luckily the plot was foiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Well, luckily the plot was foiled.
    Because there's always that one unfortunately brash jihadist bragging to his ex about the 72 virgins that'll apparently satisfy him in ways she never could. As they say, hell hath no fury...
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    do they seriously have nothing better to do? someone give them cable television and a DVD player

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaketh View Post
    do they seriously have nothing better to do? someone give them cable television and a DVD player
    I'm sure they had all that... supplied by the infidel Swedish state. Stupid Swedes and Danes - they should have provided slaves too, and should have issued a nationwide ban on all drawings that may depict a human being.

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    Silly beliefs cause silly people to commit silly things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Silly beliefs cause silly people to commit silly things.
    True, but ignored they just persevere, so some ing regulation on religion is needed, else we will be swimming in .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    True, but ignored they just persevere, so some ing regulation on religion is needed, else we will be swimming in .
    Indeed. Maybe heavy taxation of religious organizations could help prevent further religious extremism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Indeed. Maybe heavy taxation of religious organizations could help prevent further religious extremism.


    That may help, since "religion" gets tax exoneration here, and is funded by the state, tax it as you would any cult, process it and regulate it as you would hate speech religion basically is that.


    churches from tax money and that , mofos, we should tax it like a vice, since it is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Silly beliefs cause silly people to commit silly things.

    Like build a Berlin Wall.

    On topic.


    A sub machine gun eh? Gangland in origin, I presume. These four lions wannabees are hopeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    A sub machine gun eh? Gangland in origin, I presume. These four lions wannabees are hopeless.
    This guy shot 32 people with a brace of pistols.


    Don't underestimate angry people with radical beliefs.

    On a more positive note, it looks like the Swedish security police (SÄPO) actually is capable of preventing at least some terrorist attacks. More worrying is the fact that we seem to have such a huge problem with violent islamists that we are able to export them to Denmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    This guy shot 32 people with a brace of pistols.


    Don't underestimate angry people with radical beliefs.
    He could readily obtain all the guns and ammo he required quite freely, being American, and was sufficiently paranoid to keep his plans to himself, the right conditions if you wish to plan mass murder without suspicion.

    Puchasing a military weapon in Europe must have alerted interest straight away and it would appear that the suspects were careless enough to let the police know their probable intentions. I am beginning to believe that the reason why Irish terrorists are so effective is that they learned their trade before internet use became commonplace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    He could readily obtain all the guns and ammo he required quite freely, being American, and was sufficiently paranoid to keep his plans to himself, the right conditions if you wish to plan mass murder without suspicion.

    Puchasing a military weapon in Europe must have alerted interest straight away and it would appear that the suspects were careless enough to let the police know their probable intentions. I am beginning to believe that the reason why Irish terrorists are so effective is that they learned their trade before internet use became commonplace.
    Sadly your factually incorrect on almost all accounts. This is one of the guys who used a helicopter to rob a safety depot in Sweden last year


    He is carrying one of the six assault rifles used in the robbery. Apparently it is possible to get automatic rifles without the Swedish police knowing about it.

    Now lets look at your claims about the terrorists being internet amateurs.

    This is Munir Awad who is married to Safia Benauda, daughter to the chairman of the organisation "Swedens muslim council".


    He is one of the arrested terrorists and have previously been caught in Somalia (2007) and Pakistan (2009) together with his wife. When the couple was caught in 2009 it caused a Swedish tabloids to make several articles about her poor mother being worried and also claiming that Safia and Munir only were innocent tourists. A similar situation also happened to Sahbi Zalouti who is one of the others who got caught in Denmark (more here, link to google cache due to Aftonbladet removing the article yesterday). You can also look at Helenas webpage about the arrests: http://www.releasemychild.se/page11.html . To me it looks like they learn from far more dangerous sources than the internet and that we should take it much more seriously when Swedish citizens are caught in compromising situations in areas like Pakistan and Iraq.

    The suicide bomber in bomber also went on a training trip to Iraq. Only one sixth of the explosives were detonated and we are very lucky that he had gone down in an alley to fix the bomb when it exploded. The blast radius was almost 4 meters despite only one sixth of the bomb going off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    He could readily obtain all the guns and ammo he required quite freely, being American, and was sufficiently paranoid to keep his plans to himself, the right conditions if you wish to plan mass murder without suspicion.

    K, well news flash, it's quite easy for people in the UK to get guns too. Just not for your average chums. That's why your London police department went from just 4 armed patrols to anywhere from 17-22 during any given shift. You think that's because of knife violence or because there is a significant possibility lots of bad people have guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Like build a Berlin Wall.
    Or harass an artist for drawing a cartoon on their imaginary "god".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Or harass an artist for drawing a cartoon on their imaginary "god".
    Art should be of some cultural value, rather than add to the ever growing pile of fail. The amount of human misery and financial cost this tat has caused is hardly worth that fleeting moment of LULZ.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    And these people, being British, could readily obtain all the bombs they required quite freely. People slip through the cracks, it's not like we're selling glocks at the local gas station here.

    The only ones who managed to do so, so far, other than the Irish terrorists, in recent times.Entirely down to planning. And they kept their plot to themselves, which a number of wannabee terrorists , including far-right ones have not been able to do.

    Fact is every freelance terrorist in Europe is an amateur who has to learn everything from the net. They don't have an organization to back them with practical training, no shiploads of guns and Semtex from Libya. Makes it easier to monitor them as they fumble around for gear.
    We keep hearing about this Mumbai in Europe, but where do the press think all the guns and grenades will come from? Are they seriously suggesting that these things can be acquired on the black market without setting off alarm bells?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Art should be of some cultural value, rather than add to the ever growing pile of fail. The amount of human misery and financial cost this tat has caused is hardly worth that fleeting moment of LULZ.
    It could be argued that the cartoons were culturally relevant, they reflected a growing concern amongst some people that a particular religion was inherently violent and a threat to their society. Some said followers of this religion decide that the best way to prove these people are wrong is to cut off their heads, or shoot them at random, thus proving the point the artists made in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Art should be of some cultural value, rather than add to the ever growing pile of fail. The amount of human misery and financial cost this tat has caused is hardly worth that fleeting moment of LULZ.
    yes and you're a critic now, let me be frank with you mongrel your malignant attitude damages uour cause more than you can see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Art should be of some cultural value, rather than add to the ever growing pile of fail. The amount of human misery and financial cost this tat has caused is hardly worth that fleeting moment of LULZ.
    So in essence, you don't support freedom of expression. Or press. Or opinion.

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