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    Plants revealed as methane source
    By Tim Hirsch
    BBC News environment correspondent



    Forests may add to methane levels, scientists say
    Scientists in Germany have discovered that ordinary plants produce significant amounts of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas which helps trap the sun's energy in the atmosphere.

    The findings, reported in the journal Nature, have been described as "startling", and may force a rethink of the role played by forests in holding back the pace of global warming.

    And the BBC News Website has learned that the research, based on observations in the laboratory, appears to be corroborated by unpublished observations of methane levels in the Brazilian Amazon.

    Until now, it had been thought that natural sources of methane were mainly limited to environments where bacteria acted on vegetation in conditions of low oxygen levels, such as in swamps and rice paddies.

    Methane 'increase'

    But a team led by Frank Keppler of the Max Planck Institute in Heidelberg, Germany, stumbled upon this new effect when studying emissions from the leaves of trees and grasses in conditions similar to those they would encounter in the open air.

    To their amazement, the scientists found that all the textbooks written on the biochemistry of plants had apparently overlooked the fact that methane is produced by a range of plants even when there is plenty of oxygen.

    The amount of the gas produced increased when the air was warmer, and when there was more sunlight. The paper estimates that this unexplained phenomenon could account for between 10 and 30 per cent of the world's methane emissions.

    The possible implications are set out in Nature by David Lowe of New Zealand's National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research, who writes, "We now have the spectre that new forests might increase greenhouse warming through methane emissions rather than decrease it by sequestering carbon dioxide."

    If this turned out to be true, it would have major implications for the rules of the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, which allows countries and companies to offset emissions from the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil by funding the planting of new forests or the restoration of deforested areas.

    But some experts on climate change science and policy say it is far too early to come to this kind of conclusion.

    Dr Halldor Thorgeirsson, deputy executive secretary to the UN Climate Change Secretariat, told the BBC News Website that while the study was interesting, the overall impact of this newly-discovered source of methane was still speculative.

    "We need to look at this, but this study does not for example look at measurements of direct methane emissions from forests, and that is what is needed to get a better handle on what forests do for the climate," said Dr Thorgeirsson.

    He added that the system of calculating forestry "credits" under the Kyoto protocol allowed for updated scientific findings to be included in the assessment of the climate benefit of any particular project.

    The authors of the study themselves recognise that it is very difficult to quantify the global impact of this discovery since it is so far confined to observations of plants grown in the laboratory.

    But it is already finding some corroboration from observations in the "real world".

    The BBC News website has learned that a study soon to be published in another scientific journal reports high levels of methane in measurements taken in the Brazilian Amazon, which can't be explained by conventional explanations for how the gas is produced.

    Michael Keller of the US Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, who carried out the study, said the new process discovered by the German scientists provided a plausible solution to the puzzle.

    But he warned against making any assumptions at this stage about what it meant for the climate impact of forests until much more was known about the way this new phenomenon operates in different conditions and among different species.

    Complex relationship

    Dr Keller said, "We know that when deforestation takes place we liberate large quantities of carbon dioxide, and indeed methane, into the atmosphere. We may be replacing that forest with vegetation which produces more methane.

    "Until we know how this process works it is really unwise to come to any conclusions."

    It is tempting to conclude from this new study that in some way we have been conned into thinking that trees were great for the planet when it turns out they might be helping to cause global warming.

    In fact, of course, trees are neither good nor bad. They are just there, and if they are producing methane now they always have been in natural conditions.

    The study highlights, however, the extreme complexity of the relationship between the biological processes of the Earth and the chemistry of our atmosphere - and how much there is yet to discover.
    Didn't some US President from the state of Texas say that we need to do more research into this whole glabal warming thing before jumping to conclusions? Oh that right, he was dismissed as an idiot that didn't know what he was talking about.

    God it is good to have one's world view reaffirmed like this!!!

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    Plants also remove and filter out the air's polution. They remove more polution than they produce. Besides, many things produce methane gas. Polution is not the plants' faults, it's our fault.

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    I don't why so many are whining about global warming...I don't know 'bout you, but...I could use some heat. It gets real cold here in the wintertime. Warming would help considerably to improve my comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hapsburg
    I don't why so many are whining about global warming...I don't know 'bout you, but...I could use some heat. It gets real cold here in the wintertime. Warming would help considerably to improve my comfort.
    Sea levels rise as glaciers melt. Say goodbye to NYC, Florida, Louisiana, Venice, netherlands, and anywhere else on the coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralLee
    Sea levels rise as glaciers melt. Say goodbye to NYC, Florida, Louisiana, Venice, netherlands, and anywhere else on the coast.
    We Dutch will never surrender to the water, we'll build dikes as high as the Empire State building before we give up.

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    this is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Cutting down trees increases global warming yes, but not the fact that they are there.
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    so plants remove carbon dioxide and create methane. i'm sure they remove more carbon dioxide than methane produced, so it's more beneficial to have plants than not

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    Because we all know global warming is happenning in the first place.

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    .... i can't believe person believes this BS. When will people realize that EVERYONE accepts global warming now, not just the ultraleft and finding excuses against global warming, that are completely lame, hasn't worked since the 80s. You would have to be some kind of extremist to believe otherwise.

    Plants causing global warming is the most hilarious thing i've ever heard. Seriously posts on this board as of late have become comedy for me. Also methane isn't a great cause for global warming, if it were we would of been dead long ago from cow farts. Carbon Dioxide on the otherhand IS which is something the plants remove from the atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric
    .... i can't believe person believes this BS. When will people realize that EVERYONE accepts global warming now, not just the ultraleft and finding excuses against global warming, that are completely lame, hasn't worked since the 80s. You would have to be some kind of extremist to believe otherwise.

    Plants causing global warming is the most hilarious thing i've ever heard. Seriously posts on this board as of late have become comedy for me. Also methane isn't a great cause for global warming, if it were we would of been dead long ago from cow farts. Carbon Dioxide on the otherhand IS which is something the plants remove from the atmosphere.
    The point of my posting this article is to point out that policy makers behind the Kyoto Treaty do not know what they are doing. Global warming, if its even useful to use the term, is a far more complex affair than than what those policy makers would have us believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    The point of my posting this article is to point out that policy makers behind the Kyoto Treaty do not know what they are doing. Global warming, if its even useful to use the term, is a far more complex affair than than what those policy makers would have us believe.
    And the research of one scientist would mess up the entire global warming theory?
    Read the article again. There are a lot of 'mights' and 'woulds' in it.

    Dr Halldor Thorgeirsson, deputy executive secretary to the UN Climate Change Secretariat, told the BBC News Website that while the study was interesting, the overall impact of this newly-discovered source of methane was still speculative.
    If this would prove to be not-so-speculative anymore, then we would have to rethink certain aspects of the Kyoto protocol, not abolish it.

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    I'm sure you would, only the Dutch would be crazy enough to do such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric
    .... i can't believe person believes this BS. When will people realize that EVERYONE accepts global warming now, not just the ultraleft and finding excuses against global warming, that are completely lame, hasn't worked since the 80s. You would have to be some kind of extremist to believe otherwise.
    Most people here have me painted as an extremist. (because most
    people in the forums are left of center)
    and I believe in Global warming, because I can feel the weather
    change since I was a child. The ice sheets/glaciers are melting.
    (Talk to Alaskans or Canadians)
    Last two weeks in January, in Phila., the weather was
    50-60 degrees Farenheit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric
    .... i can't believe person believes this BS. When will people realize that EVERYONE accepts global warming now, not just the ultraleft and finding excuses against global warming, that are completely lame, hasn't worked since the 80s. You would have to be some kind of extremist to believe otherwise.

    Plants causing global warming is the most hilarious thing i've ever heard. Seriously posts on this board as of late have become comedy for me. Also methane isn't a great cause for global warming, if it were we would of been dead long ago from cow farts. Carbon Dioxide on the otherhand IS which is something the plants remove from the atmosphere.
    ...........EVERYONE? lol. It changes every frikin year. If its colder than usual, its the precursor to another Ice Age. If it's warmer than usual, then its global warming. Please.........It has not gotten any warmer in the last 300+ years or whenever it started to be recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorfindel87
    ...........EVERYONE? lol. It changes every frikin year. If its colder than usual, its the precursor to another Ice Age. If it's warmer than usual, then its global warming. Please.........It has not gotten any warmer in the last 300+ years or whenever it started to be recorded.
    The warming of global warming causes the ice age, the planet would get warmer preceeding an ice age. And it has gotten warmer:
    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3569604.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by internationalist
    The warming of global warming causes the ice age, the planet would get warmer preceeding an ice age. And it has gotten warmer:
    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3569604.stm
    Why Are We Not Seeing Global Warming?
    Accepted for presentation at the Ninth Symposium on Global Change Studies
    January 11-16, 1998, Phoenix, Arizona


    S. Fred Singer, Ph.D.

    Conventional General Circulation Models, quoted by the IPCC, predict a current "best" warming rate of 0.3°C per decade. Satellite and balloon observations, however, show a slight cooling rate since 1979. Surface observations show no warming trend in the last decade.

    The explanation for this discrepancy, put forth by the IPCC, has been an assumed cooling from sulfate aerosols. That this is insufficient can readily be seen from graphs published recently by Hasselman (Science, 1997). The calculated warming rate is only slightly reduced--to about 0.25°C per decade. In addition, publications by Tett et al. (Science, 1996) and Hansen et al. (JGR, 1997) show that the negative forcing from aerosols is quite insufficient.

    Perhaps the strongest argument against the aerosol model comes from satellite observations; they show a cooling trend everywhere except at northern mid-latitudes. They show a warming trend there--just where the aerosol cooling effect should be most important.

    The discrepancy between models and observations must therefore be ascribed to other exogenous factors (solar variations) or to endogenous factors that are poorly treated in climate models, such as details of clouds and the vertical distribution of water vapor. Clearly, climate science is neither "settled" not "compelling"--as often claimed by politicians--but remains a challenging field for research.
    Pulled that off the first site I saw. No, Kanaric, everyone does not accept global warming.
    That graph put up on BBC is hilarious. I refuse to believe that the scientist knows to wthin a few degrees how cold it was all over the world in 1200 AD.
    Sorry. Termometers only got really reliable and accurate by the late 1800s.
    Try this. hhtp://www.abd.org.uk/pr/168.htm
    Sure some of it is probably as wrong as the other side, but it has some valid points I think.
    As always, there is two sides to any argument, and money is usually involved.
    Also, science can't have it both ways.
    www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398
    Enjoy. Try researching the other side before jumping in with both feet.

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    Its funny that everyone debatesd so much over Global Warming when they dont understand the implications of it. I'm all for it!

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    Yes. That is why for millions of years plants have been ripping holes in the ozone layer.

    Oh. Wait.

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    CFCs are completely different from global warming, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alman9898
    CFCs are completely different from global warming, you know.
    CFCs help global warming, you know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman
    CFCs help global warming, you know
    Specifically they are unmatched at eating ozone.

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