The Rebels represent smaller factions but what Rebels represent what factions?

[FabianScarus]

I heard that the Rebels represent smaller factions. Well, what Rebels represent what factions?

EDIT: I am also making a small sub-mod for myself which renames rebel factions.

This is what I have so far:

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{Anatolian_Rebels}Kingdom of Anatolia
{Arab_Rebels}Minor Caliphs
{Armenian_Rebels}Kingdom of Armenia
{Bohemian_Rebels}Kingdom of Bohemia
{Bulgarian_Rebels}Empire of Bulgaria
{Burgundian_Rebels}Duchy of Burgundy
{Croatian_Rebels}Kingdom of Croatia
{English_Rebels}Baron's Alliance
{Fatimid_Rebels}Berber Rebellion
{Flemish_Rebels}County of Flanders
{French_Rebels}Communes Françaises
{German_Rebels}Imperial Dissidents
{Greek_Rebels}Roman Rebellion
{Iberian_Rebels}Moorish Dissidents
{Irish_Rebels}Kingdom of Ireland
{Island_Rebels}Minor States
{Italian_Rebels}Communi Liberi
{Livonian_Rebels}Baltic Tribes
{Magyar_Rebels}Rebellious Nobles
{Mexican_Rebels}Native Tribes
{Native_Rebels}Native Tribes
{Norse_Rebels}Kingdom of Sweden
{Polish_Rebels}Golden Liberty
{Rus_Rebels}Rus Peoples
{Saharan_Rebels}Minor Caliphs
{Seljuk_Rebels}Caliph of Baghdad
{Spanish_Rebels}Basque Rebellion
{Steppe_Rebels}Rus Peoples
{Scots_Rebels}Rebealle Clann
{Swiss_Rebels}Swiss Confederation
{Wallachian_Rebels}Principality of Wallachia
{Welsh_Rebels}Principality of Wales
{brigands}Peasant Uprising
{gladiator_uprising}The Gladiator Uprising
{pirates}Pirates
{slave_uprising}The Slave Uprising

Independent States are the ones I have not yet named

[Fred Putz]

This two threads explain very much:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=380580
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4130214

Perhaps the Mod Workshop suits You better for modding questions - at least for me it does - together with the search function almost unbeatable:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=272

[k/t]

Duchy of Burgundy, not Province, and only the Pamplona rebels can be Navarre.

[bɑne]

Changed the topic title to better convey the content of this topic.

[Gogolometro]

Wallachia was Principate never a Dutchy.

[FabianScarus]

Changed the topic title to better convey the content of this topic.

Thanks, I thought that would've been too long.

Wallachia was Principate never a Dutchy.

Really? I was sure I read that Wallachia was a duchy. Thanks for the correction.

Duchy of Burgundy, not Province, and only the Pamplona rebels can be Navarre.

OK, I'll fix that.

[k/t]

Romanians never had dukes. Voivod, cneaz, ban, prince, king, some other stuff, but never dukes.

[Caesar Clivus]

Livonia was also never a kingdom

[FabianScarus]

Livonia was also never a kingdom

Oh, I am guessing it was a duchy then.

I think it would be better to make rebels act more like actual rebels ie: ambush alot more, actually attack factions, especially small armys, cities. Changing the name of the individual rebel groups isnt going to do anything to improve gameplay. Its just aesthetic.

Have your see 6.3? The Stainless Steel modders have outdone themselves in the gameplay section and are now focusing on little graphical elements. I KNOW it is only aesthetic!

[Caesar Clivus]

Oh, I am guessing it was a duchy then.

No. The Livonian rebels represent the indigenous tribes of Livonia and Estonia that inhabited the area before the Teutonic Order took over. They were never a single entity.

[Fred Putz]

I think it´s a good idea for a submod. That´s one reason why i posted the links above. It´s possible to have different "rebels factions" for every region. It´s a more cosmetical one - but would add some more dept. Would just need some research if Your really want to call them duchy, kingdom or something like that. I´d like to see it.

Edit: Gold Star Variant would be to give them the names in their (actual) language, e.g. Duchy of Saxony -> Herzogtum Sachsen (searching for historical languages can harm Your brain)

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Would end up in more work - but that´s how modding is.

Edit#2: Ok now i said that - and if You really want to do that i could give You the names for all german regions. Just thought over that native language thing and it´s just fine, because it would be compatible with any translation and would look even better with the projects of Fair Prince in mind.

[Gogolometro]

About Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania I can give you some relation. First Wallachia is twice bigger, now in SS 6.3 province is half, it must continue to Danube. Moldavia is named Besserabia, what is very wrong, in modern time the romanians call the Moldavian Republic Basarabia, historical is just south part of Moldavia region, what was conquered by wallachian prince and integrated in Wallachian principate.

Ideea of hungarian cavalry in balkans and romanian regions, spawned and recruited, is pretty wierd. They have a big kingdom, but like I just love repeating, they never controled Sofia. And if is a must I can say is no place on the map for Sofia, better Ohrida or Tarnovo.

Other thing, important is both Baia and Targoviste are much western in map placement.
In Wallachia and Moldavia was huge forrests not plains. Ussual marches near rivers. Maybe Targoviste is to early on map and posible is more corect to change with Campulung.

Except Transylvania was no western system of catholic type of administration like duchies, marchisates or comitates. Sistem was part slavic style, part byzantine. We got Voievods or simple Voda, signed in latin or at catholic courts like Principes or Prince. Hungary or Poland who was the suzeran states for some time of Wallachia and Moldavia (Transylvania being part of hungarian kingdom), called their romanian vassals "our prince" or "our pricipes".

[Polydamas]

No. The Livonian rebels represent the indigenous tribes of Livonia and Estonia that inhabited the area before the Teutonic Order took over. They were never a single entity.

I believe they were for a short time. Their was something called the Livonian Crusade and from it was formed the Livonian Order that existed in Estonia. When the Teutonic Order took over, the Livonian Order became a sub-branch of it.

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[Caesar Clivus]

I believe they were for a short time. Their was something called the Livonian Crusade and from it was formed the Livonian Order that existed in Estonia. When the Teutonic Order took over, the Livonian Order became a sub-branch of it.

The Livonian Order was the Teutonic Order. Just the branch of it that operated in Livonia (as opposed to the branch in Prussia). Had nothing to do with the indigenous tribes.

[FabianScarus]

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[Andytheplatypus]

I think it would be better to make rebels act more like actual rebels ie: ambush alot more, actually attack factions, especially small armys, cities. Changing the name of the individual rebel groups isnt going to do anything to improve gameplay. Its just aesthetic.

[Cathedralsquares]

I think it would be better to make rebels act more like actual rebels ie: ambush alot more, actually attack factions, especially small armys, cities. Changing the name of the individual rebel groups isnt going to do anything to improve gameplay. Its just aesthetic.

My city of Roskilde was garrisoned by 3 peasant infantry and a unit of archers. Next turn a bunch of rebels show up and siege my city and I don't have any troops nearby to save it.

Damn Danish rebels.

[RollingWave]

Tunis was being ruled by what remained of the Zarid dynasty at the start of the 12th century (a dynasty that broke away from the Fatimid Caliph), though they were being overruned by a bedouin migration / invasion that would have long lasting consequences on the entire Maghareb region.

Most of the middle east was fragmented parts of the former Seljuik empire.

Also, Estonians and Livonians were quite different, Livonians were relatively closely related to Lithuanian / Prussians, but the Estonians were much more closely related to Finns

Anyway, Rebel also represent the countless peasant uprising or feudal rebellions or city state wars etc...

[Fred Putz]

Anyway, Rebel also represent the countless peasant uprising or feudal rebellions or city state wars etc...

Aren´t there two types of "rebels"? Brigands and those rebels? So the rebels would be the independent nations and the brigands those peasants (Rebels)

Perhaps i´m totally wrong there.

[jsadighi]

Wales should be a Principality not a Kingdom.