Mexico.

[CK23]

I'm an American citizen who is quite active in politics and history, hence why I am here. I am also a fan of military history...blah blah. There that's my profile before anyone questions it. (some occasionally do).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12085405

Mexico, a country that has become a hole in the wall. I mean absolutely no offense to the people, but a government which cannot control what goes on within their country and are being defeated by drug lords? Let's get real here, either the government is entirely ineffective or is corrupt to the most absolute degree.

I absolutely give my deepest sympathies to the Mexican citizens and people who are living through this, but your country is turning a blind eye to everything, perhaps a popular revolution would be less bloody then letting this current government continue.

I just needed to get it out there.

[Viking Prince]

I am movin this out of the Mudpit to the Political Academy since the Political Mudpit is to discuss current events and specific individuals in politics today. However, the Political Academy still needs the topic to be related in some manner to political theory or the thread may yet be closed.

VP

[Azog 150]

Something radical certainly needs to be done. I think the legalisation of drugs would be the first big step. But Mexico still has too many underlying problems, and the criminal gangs are too rampant. From there though, where would they go? I think the US might have to step in sooner or later as an unstable neighbour is never a good thing to have.

[EmperorBatman999]

I heard that the problem is actually exagerrated by foreign media trying to find a story and that the situation isn't as bad there.

[Imperial]

I heard that the problem is actually exagerrated by foreign media trying to find a story and that the situation isn't as bad there.

I beg to differ...



Warning, dead bodies in this one. NSFW

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Sounds like something out of Iraq or Afghanistan.

[Mr. Scott]

Something radical certainly needs to be done. I think the legalisation of drugs would be the first big step. But Mexico still has too many underlying problems, and the criminal gangs are too rampant. From there though, where would they go? I think the US might have to step in sooner or later as an unstable neighbour is never a good thing to have.

The unfortunate thing about American intervention is that it will help and hurt. It will help in subduing the drug lords greatly, largely due to well organized and high level logistics. However, it would be a great stab to Mexican pride. Which is likely a large the reason why Mexico hasn't asked the US to intervene.

Mexico has a lot of potential. It benefits with its close proximity to the US and wonderful geographic position. However, its drug war is choking its rise.

[Azog 150]

^^Well the statistics speak for themselves. 30,000 dead due to the War on Drugs over the last 3 years. Thats more people then have died in Afghanistan over the same period.

[irontaino]

They should treat these gangs the same way the US treats the Taliban; as insurgents

[Claudius Gothicus]

Can only be solved through decriminalization of drugs and state regulation of their planting and producing.

In both the USA and Mexico.

[Jaketh]

send in the Marines to end all this nonsense so the country can get back on its feet

[Claudius Gothicus]

send in the Marines to end all this nonsense so the country can get back on its feet

So Mexico can go from a ''drug-war torn country'' to an ''Occupation War torn country''?... right?

[Del Valle]

Mexico's fate is out of its hands. The only thing that can save Mexico is drug legalization in the US, as anyone in Mexico who said that in public wold end up in a ditch.

[Jaketh]

So Mexico can go from a ''drug-war torn country'' to an ''Occupation War torn country''?... right?

we should have annex the whole thing in the first place, not just half in the 19th century

[Claudius Gothicus]

we should have annex the whole thing in the first place, not just half in the 19th century

So the US can explode into a storm that drags the rest of the Western World with it?

[Mr. Scott]

So the US can explode into a storm that drags the rest of the Western World with it?

Imagine a USA 1.5 times more populated and (if canada were to be conquered) 2.5 times bigger.

That would be something to see. Unfortunately for the US, american expansionism was largely stinted because of political disputes. The thought of acquiring canada was stopped because the federalists were worried that the new land would be anti-federalist. the thought of acquiring cuba was stopped because of the fear of it becoming a slave state. Same goes with mexico.

[Thorn777]

Legalizing drugs on both sides of the border could help, especially when Mexicans could legally make money producing and exporting drugs(don't see it happening). IMO the economy of the entire state of Mexico needs an overhaul to find any solutions. The problem of ever rising mass-poverty remains as long as Mexican people cant compete with cheap American food-products poring in and for many many among the growing masses of poor the only means to make a living are immigration or crime. For most NAFTA needs an overhaul and Mexico needs to become an agricultural state again.

You Americans do the same to Latin-America what the EU does to Africa. "Free-trade" FTW...

[Denny Crane!]

Legalizing drugs on both sides of the border could help, especially when Mexicans could legally make money producing and exporting drugs(don't see it happening). IMO the economy of the entire state of Mexico needs an overhaul to find any solutions. The problem of ever rising mass-poverty remains as long as Mexican people cant compete with cheap American food-products poring in and for many many among the growing masses of poor the only means to make a living are immigration or crime. For most NAFTA needs an overhaul and Mexico needs to become an agricultural state again.

You Americans do the same to Latin-America what the EU does to Africa. "Free-trade" FTW...

You mean preventing free trade? USA has always been about no1, their war on drugs is just a part of how they like to up other countries.

I think it could happen though as the older generations lose their influence and younger people have more say the idea will become more politically viable. We still have the same rabble rousers from the 70's and 80's in some cases pushing the war on drugs, once they are gone, who knows.

[LegionnaireX]

I think the war on drugs needs an overhaul, possibily the decriminalization of drug abuse and the legalization of marijuana, yet to assume that a broad legalization and production of narcotics would be a good thing is ludicrous. It is also ridiculous to assume that such legislation would put an end to Mexico's troubles. The gangs and the criminals would still be there; they would just find something else to get them rich and allow them to continue terrorizing the population.

[Thorn777]

You mean preventing free trade? USA has always been about no1, their war on drugs is just a part of how they like to up other countries.

Hence the quote-tags. And they dont need the WoD to up other countries. Thats more about ing up American poor. You/We(UK too or the entire West for that matter) have the WTO, CIA, IMF etc to do the bad things to the people of Mexico, Indonesia & Co.

I think it could happen though as the older generations lose their influence and younger people have more say the idea will become more politically viable. We still have the same rabble rousers from the 70's and 80's in some cases pushing the war on drugs, once they are gone, who knows.

I'll doubt that. For one young people grow older which often follows more conservative/secure thinking. Then the trends changed. In the 60's up to the 80's we had an allot more progressive youth with the flower-power/punk/new-wave/etc folks, even in the Holland of the early 90's when I was a kid drug-use was allot more popular than now. Today even weed smoking there is looked down upon and kids seem allot more involved in looking trashy but acting posh(though alcohol is still popular). You know, the hippy's etc generations are pushing the buttons now, and if they don't legalize, the next surely wont.

Especially not in bible-belt USA always screaming horror or Catholic/conservative Mexico.

[Denny Crane!]

Hence the quote-tags. And they dont need the WoD to up other countries. Thats more about ing up American poor. You/We(UK too or the entire West for that matter) have the WTO, CIA, IMF etc to do the bad things to the people of Mexico, Indonesia & Co.


I'll doubt that. For one young people grow older which often follows more conservative/secure thinking. Then the trends changed. In the 60's up to the 80's we had an allot more progressive youth with the flower-power/punk/new-wave/etc folks, even in the Holland of the early 90's when I was a kid drug-use was allot more popular than now. Today even weed smoking there is looked down upon and kids seem allot more involved in looking trashy but acting posh(though alcohol is still popular). You know, the hippy's etc generations are pushing the buttons now, and if they don't legalize, the next surely wont.

Especially not in bible-belt USA always screaming horror or Catholic/conservative Mexico.

You don't think the internet has power to create knowledge based assumptions.

Yeah I'm grasping at straws...