Battlefield 3

[charles the hammer]

uh...keyboards and gaming mice?

FPS are dumbed down for consoles, so they don't live up to their PC potential, because controllers are worse.

not really, I dont see much different, I play both, the only reason I prefer PC is its modding potential.

[Ba'alzamon]

not really, I dont see much different, I play both, the only reason I prefer PC is its modding potential.

Completely agree with you old bean! FPS games on the PC are the same as they are on consoles only (like you said) you have more potential to modify the game.

In some cases, you even have to buy better equipment for a PC for example: gaming mouse, keyboard, over expensive headsets always remain prevalent on PC's too.

[Bolkonsky]

Or $50 controllers...

And I don't use an expensive headset, or a gaming keyboard.

And my Sidewinder was $18

[Katsumoto]

FPS are dumbed down for consoles, so they don't live up to their PC potential, because controllers are worse.

Well that's not an argument at all - "FPS are dumbed down on consoles so they don't live up to their PC potential because controllers are worse." What the shizz does that mean?

Like I said, both methods are fine, but the controller, in my opinion, allows for easier movement due to the analog sticks. Let's face it, the keyboard was designed to type out messages - not to efficiently control a player in a 3D environment.

[Bolkonsky]

Because console controllers don't have as many buttons/options, and nothing matches the freedom of a mouse.

Take ArmA II for example.

[Katsumoto]

Arma II isn't as much a FPS as it is a military simulator. And I agree, the amount of functions that are available to a PC gamer are far more due to the amount of buttons - that's the keyboard's biggest advantage, I think.

[Ba'alzamon]

Arma II isn't as much a FPS as it is a military simulator. And I agree, the amount of functions that are available to a PC gamer are far more due to the amount of buttons - that's the keyboard's biggest advantage, I think.

Agree with you there. I have never seen a controller over $25 (wired or wireless) in Wisconsin but I'm sure they can really get the ol'markup dropkick to the face. And yes, Arma II is not a FPS. It's in the same Genre as Full Spectrum Warrior

[Manco]

not to efficiently control a player in a 3D environment.

Yet it does far better than a gamepad/controller.
Consoles have their perks, but they do not excel in FPS's.

[Nyxos]

A console stick is slow, you have to pan through the entire screen to turn around, with the stick pushed out max, its takes (on high sensibility) about 1 to 2 seconds to make a 180° turn. I takes me 0.1 second and a flip of the wrist to do so with my mouse. No competition there. The computer players will be faster, more accurate than the console players

[Katsumoto]

Yet it does far better than a gamepad/controller.

I disagree. It depends what your personal preference is. I find both suitable for the job, although I do prefer sitting back comfortably with a controller than I do sitting up with a mouse and keyboard.

A console stick is slow, you have to pan through the entire screen to turn around, with the stick pushed out max, its takes (on high sensibility) about 1 to 2 seconds to make a 180° turn. I takes me 0.1 second and a flip of the wrist to do so with my mouse. No competition there. The computer players will be faster, more accurate than the console players

It's not an advantage if everyone shares the same disadvantages - if everybody playing on consoles turns a fraction of a second slower than a PC gamer would, how does it benefit them? You're still going to be as slow/fast as your opponent. It's not an issue.

[Basileos Leandros I]

I think that in the future PlayStation should make a dedicated keyboard for PS3... or maybe there is one already?

[Bolkonsky]

I think there might be.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Geez I didnt think a conversation on mice and controllers would take off... but anyway like some said I find the controller easier to shoot at and move... its a lot more comfortable than sitting up using a keypad or the WASD keys to move forward left right back. Although its not horrible I just find it more comfortable with the controller. PC games still rule though because of modding.

[Manco]

I disagree. It depends what your personal preference is. I find both suitable for the job, although I do prefer sitting back comfortably with a controller than I do sitting up with a mouse and keyboard.

Get a good chair and you're just as comfy.

It's not an advantage if everyone shares the same disadvantages - if everybody playing on consoles turns a fraction of a second slower than a PC gamer would, how does it benefit them? You're still going to be as slow/fast as your opponent. It's not an issue.

Fact is that keyboard+mouse is faster, more precise and gives you loads more buttons. No relativist argument will change that and saying it's not an advantage is just intellectually dishonest. Otherwise we might begin saying you don't need sound as long as no one has sound.

Besides, who says the platforms will remain separate?

[Wulfburk]

Coudnt agree more with you Manco!

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Geez I didnt think a conversation on mice and controllers would take off... but anyway like some said I find the controller easier to shoot at and move... its a lot more comfortable than sitting up using a keypad or the WASD keys to move forward left right back.

Of course it's easier, FPS on consoles uses auto-aim and larger hitboxes. And only played one game where you could disable that completely and that was the new Turok game and trust me, the flaws on the controlls were so obvious.
You simply aren't very precise or fast when it comes to the aiming.
I can't remember which game(Edit: Shadowrun and various other Microsoft games) but there was a FPS that was suppose to be cross-plattform between 360 user and PC users but they had to ditch that since the PC players were butchering the console players each time.

[Killerbee]

A console stick is slow, you have to pan through the entire screen to turn around, with the stick pushed out max, its takes (on high sensibility) about 1 to 2 seconds to make a 180° turn. I takes me 0.1 second and a flip of the wrist to do so with my mouse. No competition there. The computer players will be faster, more accurate than the console players

You can just change your sensivity mang - at max you can make a 360 in half a second

[snuggans]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/04/ba...on-windows-xp/


brief summary:

• Direct X 11 only, won't run on Windows XP
• 64 bit OS recommended
• Even though it won't be PC exclusive,they will supposedly put extra attention on the PC version

i'm wondering if the 64 bit OS recommendation is due to relatively high RAM requirements, which can only be expected from a DX11 only game.

well.. time to start upgrading.

[Doono]

As long as it returns to it's roots of at least 64 players all will be fantastic, to be honest im surprised games arn't consistantly supporting several hundered at a time yet. The tech is there they just need to embrace it.

[Bolkonsky]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/04/ba...on-windows-xp/


brief summary:

• Direct X 11 only, won't run on Windows XP
• 64 bit OS recommended
• Even though it won't be PC exclusive,they will supposedly put extra attention on the PC version

i'm wondering if the 64 bit OS recommendation is due to relatively high RAM requirements, which can only be expected from a DX11 only game.

well.. time to start upgrading.

Or Windows Vista.