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    Default How did the British Empire change the world?

    I'm trying to think of ways the British Empire influenced the world and what it gave to civilization. All you history buffs can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong, heres a few that sprung to my mind:
    PS, if I'm not sure if I'm right I'll put a question mark in brackets afterward.

    English language
    Parliamentary system
    Imperial measurement system
    First past the post voting system (?)
    The concept of having two chambers in a parliament (?)
    Many modern economic systems and methods used all over the world. (Keynesian economics)
    Massively contributed to the spread of capitalism and ideas of capitalism through great thinkers thinkers (ie Adam Smith)
    Influence of common law over statutory law in justice.

    Any more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    English language
    I think it is mainly a new thing, so mostly USA is 'responsible'.

    Parliamentary system
    rather french influence?

    The concept of having two chambers in a parliament (?)
    I'm not knowledgeable, but for exampe in Hungary there is 1. Is the '2 chamber parliament' common?

    Massively contributed to the spread of capitalism and ideas of capitalism through great thinkers thinkers (ie Adam Smith)
    I don't know, but excluding british colonoies, for which this is true, I think most countries had their own capitalist theorists. A-H empire definietly had.

    Influence of common law over statutory law in justice.
    Maybe in former colonies? Definietly not here...



    What you should add:

    - discoveries and colonization
    - unifying and founding India and Pakistan
    - football!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikaka View Post
    I think it is mainly a new thing, so mostly USA is 'responsible'.
    USA is responsible for English language?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    USA is responsible for English language?
    As I understand english became 'lingua franca' in the last 20-30 years, when there was no british empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikaka View Post
    As I understand english became 'lingua franca' in the last 20-30 years, when there was no british empire.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    USA is responsible for English language?
    Quote Originally Posted by shikaka View Post
    I think it is mainly a new thing, so mostly USA is 'responsible'.

    Duke is correct.

    shikaka, English did not become the lingua franca in ex-British colonies in just the last 20-30 years. English had been the preferred language as well as the official language of the ruling elite and the middle classes of all the countries from Kenya to Bangladesh since roughly the beginning of the 20th century itself and in some cases, well before that.

    The United States has promoted American pop culture, which happens to in English but the use of English as an official language as well as the only language in which knowledge/education is imparted in a lot of countries around the world began during the era of American isolationism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmud Ghaznavi View Post
    Duke is correct.
    nope, he is not.


    shikaka, English did not become the lingua franca in ex-British colonies in just the last 20-30 years. English had been the preferred language as well as the official language of the ruling elite and the middle classes of all the countries from Kenya to Bangladesh since roughly the beginning of the 20th century itself and in some cases, well before that.
    That's why I said that it was mostly used in former English colonies _during the period of we talk about_.

    English became universal with american popular culture, globalisation and multinational companies, and english language software.
    This was _not_ in the times when Britain was an empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    USA is responsible for English language?
    Its the combination of the two. The British established it throughout the world and the Americans concreted it into the world.
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    Depending on which set of information you look at the top four countries for gdp per person which have a population of over 20 million are the US, Australia, Canada and the UK. They are all anglicised countires that are also former colonies of the British Empire, i would say that it is a pretty big contribution to the world, since without British settlement of these areas, they would not exist in their current form.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Its the combination of the two. The British established it throughout the world and the Americans concreted it into the world.
    Well pretty much all of the countries who were once part of the British Empire (which includes the US) either have English as the offical language or have a significant amount of their population who speak English. The US just made it into the official language of business and helped to spread it to the few remaining corners of the globe, which didn't already have a large number of English speakers already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Its the combination of the two. The British established it throughout the world and the Americans concreted it into the world.
    And the US is a product of the British Empire.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
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    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

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    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
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    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    English language
    Shikaka is right, US made English lingua franca, untill WWII French language had this status, in Europe at least, then came Hollywood and American music industry ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Parliamentary system
    Only in the Commonwealth ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Imperial measurement system
    Metric system (a product of French Revolution was the winner worldwide - it's more logical as being decimal)



    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    The concept of having two chambers in a parliament (?)
    It could be, though bicameralism has many sources, and not all bicameralisms are inspired from UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Influence of common law over statutory law in justice.
    Limited to only British Empire. Civil law based on Roman/Napoleonic tradition/model is at least as widespread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Any more?
    Left hand drive in half former British colonies (but Japan also).



    Blue - drives on the left.
    Orange (light red) - drove on the left, now drives on the right
    Light blue - drove on the right, now drives on the left
    Red - drives on the right
    Purple - had different rules of the road within borders, now drives on the right
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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC View Post
    Limited to only British Empire. Civil law based on Roman/Napoleonic tradition/model is at least as widespread.

    'Only' constituted 2/5ths of the worlds surface and 1/4 of the worlds population. Even then, to say that Britain only influenced within its own Empire is wrong.







    You can add technological and scientific advances. And to much of Britain's colonies, there was the bringing of infrastructure, banking systems and general governance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    'Only' constituted 2/5ths of the worlds surface and 1/4 of the worlds population. Even then, to say that Britain only influenced within its own Empire is wrong.
    Common Law has less "charisma" then civil law.


    Common law remains limited to former British Empire as a legacy, but it wasn't an apealing model for other countries like the French, Austrian, German codes were.

    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Really what makes it more logical?

    Oh sure you can say it base ten and that but it equally logical to use a distance measure based on something you can roughly estimate by your foot. Beside what so logical about the meter in and of itself and were is the bloody metric clock anyway if it all so good?
    1 km=1,000 m; 1m=100cm; 1 cm=10mm; 1m=1,000mm; etc. you can easily convert units in subunits, and subunits in smaller subunits, etc.

    now

    1 mile=1760yd; 1yd=3ft; 1 ft=12in. How the hell to work with these units and convert them???????? It's chaotic and impractical.

    And that's only with lenght.

    And why is logical to use your foot as standard? Do Americans have feet of same lenght?
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    Parlamentarism itself is an english invention.

    While the hungarian parliament (and many similar) isn't a 2 chamber one, every parlamentarian democracy is a successor -so to say- the english political traditions.
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    it's more logical as being decimal
    Really what makes it more logical?

    Oh sure you can say it base ten and that but it equally logical to use a distance measure based on something you can roughly estimate by your foot. Beside what so logical about the meter in and of itself and were is the bloody metric clock anyway if it all so good?
    Last edited by conon394; December 27, 2010 at 01:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Really what makes it more logical?

    Oh sure you can say it base ten and that but it equally logical to use a distance measure based on something you can roughly estimate by your foot. Beside what so logical about the meter in and of itself and were is the bloody metric clock anyway if it all so good?
    Really? Even the US has accepted it. Ask any engineer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Really what makes it more logical?

    Oh sure you can say it base ten and that but it equally logical to use a distance measure based on something you can roughly estimate by your foot. Beside what so logical about the meter in and of itself and were is the bloody metric clock anyway if it all so good?


    The imperial system has no logical interrelation. If you know how long a metre is roughly you can easily estimate how long a kilometre is. The reason the metric system was created was because the imperial system was incredibly illogical and often varied greatly by region and even by individual.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; December 28, 2010 at 11:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Just because some of the influences only extend to former colonies doesn't discount those influences, same way the influence of Greek democracy or Roman roads and baths doesn't discount those achievements just because not every single region of the world had them.




    You gotta admit, we used to be friggin badass.
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    You gotta admit, we used to be friggin badass.
    Yeah, subduing native populations through disease and vastly superior firepower is pretty badass.

    Reminds me of my old avatar,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Yeah, subduing native populations through disease and vastly superior firepower is pretty badass.
    Rule Britannia, baby.


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    1 mile=1760yd; 1yd=3ft; 1 ft=12in. How the hell to work with these units and convert them???????? It's chaotic and impractical.
    Is it? I guess the question I have the comparable metric system while based on 10s still depends on a meter what makes a meter logical?

    Is the fact that Kilometer is 1000 meters any more logical than a mile - which one has any relation to human experience?

    The metric system might be more say rational in that its measures are all a factor of ten but after that so what? There is nothing particularly not logical or problematic with Fahrenheit's scale it is just based on a different starting point from the centigrade one. Again if the base 10 system is so great so logical show me is the metric clock we should all be using instead of some Babylonian rubbish - care of classical Greeks BS for telling time?

    Or consider the Meter again it what some made up fraction of some incorrectly measured arc of the Earth's circumference - oh that's so logical. because you know that the first I think of when I look look a piece of wood - umm how many fractions of the Earth's circumference of this do I need only what three?

    Honestly be realistic you use what you have if your ruler and screws and calipers a calibrated for metric and that is what you learned it what you do if not not ... because would the meter be any more logical if it was based on the the 10 aristocratic heads cut off and rolled together but than converted into a base 10 units up and down? no it would be about the same a base ten system but no mare logical than any other.
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