Here yar go, something to say.

[Da Skinna]

This here is the huge response I was building up till it got locked, too bad, because I didn’t think there was any flaming happening, I mean there was, but not anywhere sufficient enough to have it closed. Too bad, it could have gone somewhere.

This here is for ALL the people in that discussion, or “flame war”. I don’t pick sides in this, but it seemed that Europe, while old, outdated, but still useful, had the more informed and credible posts, the pro-Americans lagged behind, and well… sucked.

So please, you can lock it, cuz there is swearing, a lot of it, but at least this can be read now, I don’t care if its locked. I’ve been here a long, long time, more than enough to not care what happens to my status on this website, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like this website, I love it, it’s fun, and very informative cuz it gets you moving to read up on things. So please, ping my warning up one if you want to, but don’t delete this. Cuz I do have things to say, and while lewd, rude, and crude, they are, in my utmost belief, right. So thank you.



Omfg….

Evan_Kikli, just be quiet, cuz the implication that Europe spilt less blood than the Americans for their homes is absolutely mo****ing preposterous. Europe is battlefield Numero Uno in the history of the world. Frankly, you seem to be talking out of your way-too-pro-American, uninformed ass. Sorry for this, but that comment, ahem…

“So Eurpeans are spoiled because they didn't have to spill blood for ther homes? Yeah thats what I though.”

Woh.



As for this redneck/white trash thing. No, America isn’t made up of them, but there’s a disturbingly high number of them….all over. It’s indicative of the American domestic policies, or lack of…




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“No, Europe has been babied by the US ever since WW2. Thats why they never spent money on there military because ours was there and thats why you economy outranks us because you can afford to put more money in it because you dont have to pay for your own damned defence. WE DO.”

Ack, maybe because the rest of us doesn’t make as many enemies as you do, then we don’t have to spend as much on our defence, cuz people like us. America has many of its problems today because of its capitalist ventures earlier in the century. I blame capitalism, but we’re not getting into that right now. The Americans, many of them, have a cocksure attitude, which is unfortunate, and somehow ironic that they are a superpower. Then again, like a lot of those conspiracy freaks are saying, America is run by SMART people, cunning ones, that do make the advancements they want, and let their peons use them, and allow the rest of the population to be confident, blissfully unaware. Yay.


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As for this Europe could never have been invaded by USSR cuz US was there. Bull crap. USSR could’ve overrun the States, at least in the ‘70’s and early 80’s, its height of power. And who says communism is a bad thing…? Well, that also gets into something else, but the idea of communism isn’t bad, just the manipulators of its system. Just to get that out of the way.



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France GAVE America it’s country. If it wasn’t for the French army and navy, among the best in the world at the time, America could have never succeeded in its revolution. Here’s something, from an American of course…
http://www.exile.ru/2003-October-02/war_nerd.html

Yes but when trouble happens y'all will turn to us to bail you out. Just like France and Vietnam.

Because America has just as much interest in Vietnam’s resources as France, if not more…




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No you can’t judge a whole people by a few pundits, but WHY THE **** are these ******* mo****in IDIOTS, complete DUMBASSES, are shown, and played and hosting on the major networks of America? The ones that a LOT of Americans watch, listen, whatever, if you don’t want us to think of you as dumbasses, kill these people, no seriously, kill these dummies.

Ok, ok, but pull these idiots off, their misinforming the masses, which is never good, because they get the wrong image of Europe, and then the rest of us get a horrible image of you folk.





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Yes but when trouble happens y'all will turn to us to bail you out. Just like France and Vietnam.

and WWI and WWII and WWIII when it comes

***** please, the French are more than ****ing up to it, do you really want to go down this road saying the French are pussies, always asking the US for help for them to get out of wars…? Didn’t think so. But if you really do, once again I cite this source
http://www.exile.ru/2003-October-02/war_nerd.html


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Thing about the spending on defense and the army. It should be pretty ****in obvious that nearly ALL governments will secretly inject cash into the army, US does it, Brits do it, a lot of countries do it. Stop arguing about this. It is undisputable that the US spends more, for a reason: more people are more likely to hurt Americans than say… Dutch, Danes, Canadian. Beg to differ?


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K, America is the world police only because it is so interested in the world. No, not its people, but its resources, and its cash crops, and how it can make money. The world revolves around money, people. America, like any other government, is run like a business, because governing is a business. America is really the leader of all this, for now at least.

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OOOOOk, I’m ending this here, this is because I do have something to say, and this is for the people in the “Why do Europeans think they’re so important?” thread, I’m stressing this again.

[Last Roman]

now, as an American myself I was somewhat offended as you kind of make every American seem like a all-out uber-patriot nutjob, but in the end, I have to agree with you. I am patriotic, I love my country but I cannot say much for its political/foreign choices in the last several years. People think that America can do no wrong. Take off the blindfold people. The history of our country is full of wrongdoings. Slavery, forcefully removing the Indians, continual interventions in the Caribbean and Central/South America, Vietnam and Iraq. We need to stop being the world police and turn to our true ideals of non-intervention (do you know who said that, George fricking Washington). Far too long have we let capitalistism pull our government by the ear. Im not saying Im against capitalism, but for too long we have let it control every aspect of our lives. Let the world figure out their problems and let America deal with hers.

[The White Knight]

now, as an American myself I was somewhat offended as you kind of make every American seem like a all-out uber-patriot nutjob, but in the end, I have to agree with you. I am patriotic, I love my country but I cannot say much for its political/foreign choices in the last several years. People think that America can do no wrong. Take off the blindfold people. The history of our country is full of wrongdoings. Slavery, forcefully removing the Indians, continual interventions in the Caribbean and Central/South America, Vietnam and Iraq. We need to stop being the world police and turn to our true ideals of non-intervention (do you know who said that, George fricking Washington). Far too long have we let capitalistism pull our government by the nose. Im not saying Im against capitalism, but for too long we have let it control every aspect of our lives. Let the world figure out their problems and let America deal with hers.

Really great. My appreciation for you, or Americans in general has rocketed into the sky because of this statement.

[War_Lord]

Introduction: Americans must be proud for their country ( ). Country where people like Arnold Schwarzenegger and sharp minded J.Bush can become a president. Their democracy works perfectly, indeed, goverment HAVE the right to spy on citizens of America. Dont worry, you can joke about being terrorist-nothing will happen ! Freedom of speech :laughing: What a great country America is !

"Why do Europeans think they’re so important?”

Europe is one of the most advanced part of the world, they produce hight qualaty products and else. Why do you think the dollar is cheaper than euro, eh ? Also Europe had many great people like Napoleon and Einstein. If you think that Amercia is somehow better that Europe, then you are wrong. America isnt a nation, it was splited by the Europeans. America have no culture, except hip-hop you are very good in it lol

[GeneralLee]

Introduction: Americans must be proud for their country ( ). Country where people like Arnold Schwarzenegger and sharp minded J.Bush can become a president. Their democracy works perfectly, indeed, goverment HAVE the right to spy on citizens of America. Dont worry, you can joke about being terrorist-nothing will happen ! Freedom of speech :laughing: What a great country America is !

Europe is one of the most advanced part of the world, they produce hight qualaty products and else. Why do you think the dollar is cheaper than euro, eh ? Also Europe had many great people like Napoleon and Einstein. If you think that Amercia is somehow better that Europe, then you are wrong. America isnt a nation, it was splited by the Europeans. America have no culture, except hip-hop you are very good in it lol

Yet the US dominates the world economicly and militarily.

[Trey]

Why do you think the dollar is cheaper than euro, eh ?

Umm, i dont think you understand economics. The rating of currency based agaisnt other countries isnt how good their economy is or isnt, it is determined by the individual countrie's government. it has been like this since the 70's?. The reason why the US dollar is lower is because they want foriegn investors to buy into their country to pay for its debt. Which the war isnt helping with.

[Nationalist_Cause]

now, as an American myself I was somewhat offended as you kind of make every American seem like a all-out uber-patriot nutjob, but in the end, I have to agree with you. I am patriotic, I love my country but I cannot say much for its political/foreign choices in the last several years. People think that America can do no wrong. Take off the blindfold people. The history of our country is full of wrongdoings. Slavery, forcefully removing the Indians, continual interventions in the Caribbean and Central/South America, Vietnam and Iraq. We need to stop being the world police and turn to our true ideals of non-intervention (do you know who said that, George fricking Washington). Far too long have we let capitalistism pull our government by the ear. Im not saying Im against capitalism, but for too long we have let it control every aspect of our lives. Let the world figure out their problems and let America deal with hers.

I agree with you in spirit, especially on the foreign policy issue.

Although I can't really disagree with you over the history of America's "wrongdoings," I can say that I don't feel the least bit guilty about them. History is what it is. I had nothing to do with slavery of blacks or killing of Indians and I resent it when national leaders (political, civil rights, or otherwise) bring it up for no apparently good reason. People know about slavery and they know about the killing of Indians. Constantly throwing it in the face of white America doesn't solve anything. And besides, our history of exploiting blacks and natives is merely an extension of European practices towards these same groups.

[Last Roman]

Although I can't really disagree with you over the history of America's "wrongdoings," I can say that I don't feel the least bit guilty about them. History is what it is. I had nothing to do with slavery of blacks or killing of Indians and I resent it when national leaders (political, civil rights, or otherwise) bring it up for no apparently good reason. People know about slavery and they know about the killing of Indians. Constantly throwing it in the face of white America doesn't solve anything. And besides, our history of exploiting blacks and natives is merely an extension of European practices towards these same groups.

nor should you feel guilty. But what my point was that many in mainstream America doesn't have a clue that America has done wrong. What im saying is that we look at these things, realize what we did wrong and what we did right and then improve upon the latter.

Americans must be proud for their country ( ). Country where people like Arnold Schwarzenegger and sharp minded J.Bush can become a president. Their democracy works perfectly, indeed, goverment HAVE the right to spy on citizens of America. Dont worry, you can joke about being terrorist-nothing will happen ! Freedom of speech What a great country America is !

Europe is one of the most advanced part of the world, they produce hight qualaty products and else. Why do you think the dollar is cheaper than euro, eh ? Also Europe had many great people like Napoleon and Einstein. If you think that Amercia is somehow better that Europe, then you are wrong. America isnt a nation, it was splited by the Europeans. America have no culture, except hip-hop you are very good in it lol

while I was saying we should be respectful of European's own wishes, then we get a-holes like these who hate America seemingly just for the hell of it. It isnt a one way street bud. If you want Americans to respect you, you have to show it in kind.

[Nationalist_Cause]

nor should you feel guilty. But what my point was that many in mainstream America doesn't have a clue that America has done wrong. What im saying is that we look at these things, realize what we did wrong and what we did right and then improve upon the latter.

Having attended a public school in my earlier years I can assure you that Americans are at least told about the great evils of our past. Whether kids listen to these stories is another matter altogether.

But again I agree with your ideas on foreign policy. We had the chance to sit back and kick our feet up for some relaxation following the Cold War. Instead, we decided that humanitarian concerns were our next defining causes. It was a major mistake and has largely landed us where we are today. We could have withdrawn our troops, withdrawn from treaties, and withdrawn from doling out international aid. Instead we expanded our reach, extended our "power", and intervened in foreign affairs with more frequency than ever before. And it was all done because "isolationist" has somehow become a dirty, misused, and slanderous term.

[Last Roman]

Having attended a public school in my earlier years I can assure you that Americans are at least told about the great evils of our past. Whether kids listen to these stories is another matter altogether.

I guess thats what I meant. No matter how much you tell them, people dont seem to care, which is a shame

But again I agree with your ideas on foreign policy. We had the chance to sit back and kick our feet up for some relaxation following the Cold War. Instead, we decided that humanitarian concerns were our next defining causes. It was a major mistake and has largely landed us where we are today. We could have withdrawn our troops, withdrawn from treaties, and withdrawn from doling out international aid. Instead we expanded our reach, extended our "power", and intervened in foreign affairs with more frequency than ever before. And it was all done because "isolationist" has somehow become a dirty, misused, and slanderous term.

I dont think that we should become completly isolationist (for example, we should have sent aid to Rwanda in 1994), but we certainly need to reduce our influence. Like you said, withdraw our troops were they are not needed. We also need to stop interfering with elections, which usually backfires anyways (Venezuala)

[sephodwyrm]

Dude...I think people should be more appreciative of each other.

We're not dealing with homo sapiens europanicus or homo sapiens americanus. You're dealing with humans.

[Kanaric]

STOP WITH THESE CHILDISH NATIONALISTIC FLAME POSTS!!!! This is starting to annoy me that a new one of these exist every day because someone was offende and nobody listened to them in the origional post so they make a new post just so people will read it.

STOP MAKING THESE PPLLEEAASSEE!

[Sétanta]

dude no more flame war topics please

its getting old

Seleukos already had to shut down one
no more please

[Last Roman]

actually this thread has been pretty calm with the exception of one post

[Hub'ite]

This is getting old now. We had our fun in the other thread so why start another one? Its just gonna start another flame war. Why can't we all just get along?
P.S. Youre constant swearing really brings your intelligence down. I can't take someone who swears 9 or 10 times in one post very seriously.

[Kanaric]

China omgwtfpwns us economically. They make everything we buy.

[Da Skinna]

Ok, ok, in retrospect, I may, or may not have, overused swear words... lol, ok yeah.

This topic is pretty calm, it is only the ignorance of others that allow this to degrade into a flame war. And sorry if this makes me look stupid, certainly wasn't my intention, I just have a lot of aggravation concerning the welfare of others. The US uses it's "humanitarian causes" line not too much, but in places where it's not needed, they want to help humanity and invade Iraq.... nothing stops them, a pity. But if they really, genuinely, non-suspiciously want to help humanity, go to Africa, there's no place that needs it more, except of course your own backyard...

In no way was this supposed to be a nationalistic whochamacalit, because really, if there is something that CAN be said about a government's history of wrongdoings, doesn't make it nationalistic and bad if it IS said. Take a look at the United Fruit Company, mucho shady relations with the American government, and mucho involvement in Central America, to the loss of those people. Unfortunate, yes, something to be said, yes, am I bad for saying it, no, because it can be said, and it holds true.

[Denny Crane!]

I would love to see a topic like this discussed without generalisations (not an indicator of good debating skills or intelligence) or people equating their countries strengths as their own in such a way that the arguement becomes personalised (my dad would beat your dad up) instead of studying the topic objectivly people actually feel passionate about it (WTF?).

Does anyone else think hostile diplomatic relations and exchanges between countries massively effect the individual populations opinions of the other population, I think we can see an example of that in Evan Kikkla's attack on europe (We Rock! You suck!). Would this flame war have come about if the countries relations were better, I think its pretty certain it wouldn't. I find it strange. Anyone?

Peter

[Farnan]

Einstein did his best work in America...

[Denny Crane!]

Is that where he created the atomic theory? If so is that his best or his worst....