A question for Americans

**Eric** · January 10, 2006, 07:27 PM

Why in God's Name did you elect George W. Bush to be your President? The man is so obviously incompetent that it seems like he should retaking Kindergarten instead of controlling the most powerful nation on Earth. A better question is: WHY THE HELL did you reelect him? He led you into a bloody, pointless, resource consuming War on Iraq over WMDs that didn't actually exist. He overlooked the real threat, Osama bin Laden and invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. So, why the hell did you elect him in the first place?

**big_feef** · January 10, 2006, 07:30 PM

And out of the woodwork they come. Enjoy yourselves.

**invictus** · January 10, 2006, 07:30 PM

Well if you look at it, he didnt win the popular vote (as far as i remember), so perhaps was a conspiracy!? Or maybe it is just the way the electoral college works so blame them. -Leon

**John I Tzimisces** · January 10, 2006, 07:32 PM

He came off as a moderate, which, he basically is. As opposed to Gore, who was an emotionless stiff who advocated one too many overly-liberal policies that disconnected him with the general public during the Clinton Administration. So you can blame the sheer incompetance of his opposition.

**Last Roman** · January 10, 2006, 07:33 PM

thanks Eric, just what we need another America vs the World thread. well dont blame me, I voted Democrat. Actually IMO, both Kerry and Bush were horrible choices. But Kerry didnt portay himself as strong against terrorism and he wasn't a good speaker. Bush did, thats why he won (that doesn't say much for the people who did vote for him though).

**invictus** · January 10, 2006, 07:36 PM

The american system of republican or democrats sucks. Why cant the green party win? Or the communist or socialist?

-Leon

**John I Tzimisces** · January 10, 2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by invictus

The american system of republican or democrats sucks. Why cant the green party win? Or the communist or socialist?

-Leon

Single-issue parties like the Greens never win big elections. You have be pretty serious about an issue to vote for them.
Socialists are generally more left than most Americans. In the past they have won elections...but that was a different time.
Communists will just plain never win here. America is consistantly becoming more white-collar. Maybe, within the next 50 years, poor immigrants from Central America could form their core. They already vote democrat, which is the liberal end of the spectrum, if for no reason other than the democrats are softer than republicans on immigration

The Republicans and Democrats primarily win because the American political spectrum is generally narrower than the rest of the world's, and because the electoral college favors them hugely. Reps and Dems are usually automatically placed on election ballots, while third-parties often have to pay a comparatively large amount of money, or attain at least 5% of the vote in a previous election, which they rarely do.

**Erik** · January 10, 2006, 07:36 PM

As a European I can tell you:
The Americans elected Bush because Karl Rove is a superb campaign leader.
Rove can make Americans vote for whoever he wants.

**Sétanta** · January 10, 2006, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Erik

As a European I can tell you:
The Americans elected Bush because Karl Rove is a superb campaign leader.
Rove can make Americans vote for whoever he wants.

then quite frankly you have no idea what happens in america
CNN is not the most truthful news station in the world bud

**Trey** · January 10, 2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Erik

As a European I can tell you:
The Americans elected Bush because Karl Rove is a superb campaign leader.
Rove can make Americans vote for whoever he wants.

People overrate rove, you are only kidding yourself. fact is: kerry sucked even worse.

**wilpuri** · January 11, 2006, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Erik

As a European I can tell you:
The Americans elected Bush because Karl Rove is a superb campaign leader.
Rove can make Americans vote for whoever he wants.

"As a European (which means I am always right, am always unbiased, know best, and am a authority on matters in general) I can tell you..."

**Casanova** · January 11, 2006, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by wilpuri

"As a European (which means I am always right, am always unbiased, know best, and am a authority on matters in general) I can tell you..."

Well said Wilpuri.
Erik is the first one to criticize Americans for being arrogant. Perhaps he needs to look to himself before criticizing others.

The whole premise of this thread is rediculous. "Why did americans choose to do their constitutional duty and DEMOCRATICALLY ELECT a representative to lead the United States?

Why dont you stop criticizing America, and start criticizing some place that needs to be held a little bit more accountable. Such as North Korea with Kim Il, or Iran with its waco job president who preaches about wiping Isreal off the face of the earth every chance he gets.

But no, lest I forget those are the last places you would every think to criticize, because you sir are a different breed of man. You are the modern day peacenik who believes Castro is a Hero, and Bush is a villian. I pray that your mental disease does not spread to many others, else the world is in for a very grim future.

**MasterAdnin** · January 10, 2006, 07:39 PM

Yes, in my thread that I started, I was going to aks 'Once is bad enough, what drove you to elect him twice!' and I'm an American citizen and I am ****** that guy is an idiot.

Peace,
MasterAdnin

**Eric** · January 10, 2006, 07:44 PM

Socialist, or Green Party I could accept. It's Communism I have a problem with. It's not that I hate communism, it's that I would pity the Americans who had to live under it. Communism works on paper but is fatally flawed in real life, it is mortally wounded by the greed and inborn ambition of the Human race. Eventually, you get a few unbelievably powerful individuals and the rest are FUBAR. Also, because of the lack of reason to strive for excellence, product quality reduces drastically. In a capitalist or socialist society, you can get promoted for working hard, get more money and have something to make you work harder. In communism, hard work goes unrewarded, because of the 'everything in equality' mindset of Communists. Without a reason to work harder, work gets sloppy, buildings collapse, products fall apart and everything just starts coming apart at the seams.

**John I Tzimisces** · January 10, 2006, 07:45 PM

Its not just America. The communist party does that everywhere.

**RZZZA** · January 10, 2006, 07:48 PM

Ah, finally EXC is here to lend some intellect to the discussion

and I agree with everything Eric said, all reasons why I find it hard to take the so called communists on this board seriously. I'm not gonna say how I feel about the main topic yet because I wanna see where this thread goes but Ill come along later and lend my ideas on this...

**John I Tzimisces** · January 10, 2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by RZZZA

Ah, finally EXC is here to lend some intellect to the discussion

and I agree with everything Eric said, all reasons why I find it hard to take the so called communists on this board seriously. I'm not gonna say how I feel about the main topic yet because I wanna see where this thread goes but Ill come along later and lend my ideas on this...

I am taking AP government this year. My teacher is honestly the most racist, hypocritical, intellectually challenged liberal (Fun Fact: Did you know arabs are the only ethnic group of importance in the middle east?) I have ever met. I'm not sure if TWC is good practice for that class, or if that class is good practice for TWC.

**Trey** · January 10, 2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Eric

Why in God's Name did you elect George W. Bush to be your President? The man is so obviously incompetent that it seems like he should retaking Kindergarten instead of controlling the most powerful nation on Earth. A better question is: WHY THE HELL did you reelect him? He led you into a bloody, pointless, resource consuming War on Iraq over WMDs that didn't actually exist. He overlooked the real threat, Osama bin Laden and invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. So, why the hell did you elect him in the first place?

Everyone outside america acts like we love him. WE DONT. but look at the alternative, Kerry? are you kidding me? we picked the lesser of two evils.