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    Every year I engage in a little tradition at Total War Centre when, come the season of goodwill to men, I like to start a thread telling the Greatest Story Ever Told, that of the birth of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. However, I being blessed with the gift of a brain, like to mix this story in with a little facts because somehow, I find the world wonderful enough as it is without having to lie to people.

    So, if you are sitting comfortably, I will begin...

    Herod was dead, to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that. The register of his burial was signed by the clergyman, the clerk, the undertaker, and the chief mourner. Scrooge signed it. And Scrooge's name was upon 'Change for anything he chose to put his hand to.

    Old Herod was as dead a door-nail.

    Herod, the client-King of Juidea had died April or March in the year 4 BC. This is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus, a harsh critic of King Herod the Great and by the archaeology of coins to be found with Herod's bust followed by those of his successors, who dated their own rule as beginning in 4 BC. There is no confusion between Herod the Great and his successors, because Herod the Great was the last Herod to rule Judea, his successors ruling only fragments and the gospels specifically referring to him as "the Great", a moniker earned from his building programs. There is no doubt Herod was dead. This must be distinctly understood, or nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going to relate.

    As we all know, as our calender suggests, Jesus was born in the year 1BC/AD... whatever... in Bethlehem in a stable, where he was visited by the Magi. This is just as well, since Jewish tradition held that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem! I mean to say, that if some Carpenter's son from Nazareth wanted to convince a dozen unwashed fishermen of his divinity being born in Bethlehem would be quite useful, wouldn't you agree? And I suppose, if you were an early Christian trying to spread your cult, why not incorporate the Jewish Messiah myth into it to gain Jewish converts, just as early Christians took the 25th of December Sun festival to convert pagans, yes?

    Fortunately Jesus, or some later placed and aforementioned charletan had just such a literary device available! You see, the Roman Empire required that a census be carried out in the province of Judea, and that every man had to return to their town of birth to register. We are not told why the Roman Empire decided to put such an unnecessarily difficult and logistically impractical condition for this census, but they did. Apparently. No really. I mean they never did it anywhere else, there's absolutely no good reason why they would, and there's no evidence they did in Judea, but shut your mouth, Mary and Joseph need to get to Bethlehem and I bet you don't have any better ideas how we're going to do that one.

    Now, here's the thing, the first Roman census of Judea wasn't until 6 AD - the census of Quirinius. It is not possible that the census could have been earlier, because any earlier and Judea wasn't a Roman province and they wouldn't have needed to perform a census as the client Kings were doing their taxing for them. Quirinus is also accounted for during Herod the Great's reign as being on campaign against the Homonadenses in Anatolia. The man was even awarded a triumph. This is as much certain that Herod was as dead as a door-nail.

    Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of iron-mongery in the trade.

    Anyway, we return to our narrative. Joseph had, in 6AD, to meet the needs of the census and travel to Bethlehem, says the Bible. But there is a twist, you see, in my story. His fourteen year old wife (oh yes, God thinks old enough to bleed, old enough to breed) Mary was preggers. Up the duff. With child. This caused our friend Joseph no matter of puzzlement because he had not as of yet tupped his pubescant bride.

    Now, you and I may suggest that she had no inclination to be penetrated by some hairy, unwashed carpenter two decades her senior and had instead had it off with some swarthy stable hand. But no, this girl had balls a plenty, looked her husband straight in the eye and said, "God did it." What a little trooper. But you know, these people stone women to death pretty frequently for minor offences so what has she got to lose? The guy might just buy it.

    So anyway, Joseph, now with more stress than a man needs, has to transport himself all the way to Bethlehem for a stupid census, and six years back in time, with a pregnant teenage slut in tow. I do not envy the chap.

    But this he did! And he was forced to stay in the 1st century equivelent of a Travel Lodge - a shite encrusted stable. It was probably, actually, built primarily from dried shite, 1st century Jewish building techniques being as they were.

    Now Zombie Heord now held court with three wise men from the East, the magi! The Archbishop of Canterbury himself has recently conceeded these men are pure myth, but they are talking to an undead King on their way to see a time traveling cuckold so let's not pick hairs. To cut a long story short, Herod asks them to report back to him if they find the Messiah so he can praise him himself, but the three wise men receive a dream from some theatrical device and don't. Zombie Herod then, either to make sure he is undisputed King of the Jews, or for delicious, delicious brains, massacres all the new borns in an entire town.

    An overreaction you would think would have been recorded in a single other historical source. It's not repeated anywhere except the Bible. Not even Herod-hating Josephus mentions it, and he certainly would have.

    Merry Winter-Festival-of-your-Choice.

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    I can see this going down a treat with certain members of the forum.
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    Lmao. +rep.
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    Never let facts get in the way of a good story! So...Joseph got cuckolded? I think I saw the vid late one lonely night at a hotel...cost me $13.99.

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    another pathetic post as usual by ferret54

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    Why is it pathetic?

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    I wonder which founder of the site will leave the site forever because of this post this year
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    Oh man that was so funny.

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    But I thought you were a Christian (CoE), so what do you believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    But I thought you were a Christian (CoE), so what do you believe?
    I'm an agnostic (attached CoE).

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    Har har. How amusing.

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    I put myself down as CoE as well even though I didn't really fully believe in any of it, I think that's probably the case with the vast majority of people in the UK who still call themselves Christians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    I put myself down as CoE as well even though I didn't really fully believe in any of it, I think that's probably the case with the vast majority of people in the UK who still call themselves Christians.
    Er, thanks, but I don't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Er, thanks, but I don't do that.
    But you just said you do. If you're an agnostic then you don't believe in the truth of the Bible.
    The wheel is spinning, but the hamster is dead.

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    Helm... it's not hard to understand. I'm an agnostic. I've been baptised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Helm... it's not hard to understand. I'm an agnostic. I've been baptised.
    Actually it is hard to understand, being bapitised doesn't really mean anything if you lack belief, so you're not a Christian, perhaps you're culturally Christian if there is such a thing but that's about it. I've had a bit of water poured on my head as a baby as well but I didn't what was going on.
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    Funny - but Ferrets54

    (oh yes, God thinks old enough to bleed, old enough to breed)
    Kind of norm across the ancient world for most everyone and worse for aristocrats of all types - you wives that is and much older men. But I say this barb fails on a second count as I recall evidence form early Christan tombstones in Rome shows a trend toward older marriage for women on average and younger men. I see if I still have the source around...

    a shite encrusted stable
    Most people muck out their stable on a fairly regular basis and refresh the hey and bedding for the animals... kind a cheap people before modern were stupid joke no?
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    Duh conon but Christians don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    just as early Christians took the 25th of December Sun festival to convert pagans, yes?
    If the whole 25th december Christmas thing was followed by deluded Christians and needed a bright atheist to clearly see the truth, then why were the Puritans en masse against Christmas as a pagan fabrication, it was reinstated only in the 1800s, and the Orthodox Church doesn't celebrate this date in the first place? It had nothing to do with 'early Christians', it was a Catholic error originated in the Late Empire, and Merry Christmas to you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    If the whole 25th december christmas thing was followed by deluded christians and only needed a bright atheist to clearly see the truth, then why were all of the Puritans against Christmas as a pseudo pagan fabrication, so thay Christmas was actually reinstituted in England in the 1800s, and the Orthodox Church never accepted or celebrated this date in the first place? and Merry Christmas to you too.
    Yes, the puritans, that famously relevant modern Christian branch. Is your argument that the only Christians to get things right largely disappeared a few centuries ago?

    But not bad Sig, I would have thought you would have tried to deny the facts for a few weeks before weaseling off.
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