Why is atropaten an Armenian colonize ?

[parasa.b]

As we know that atropaten was an Iranian land in the history and it's even in Iran now so why it's an Armenian state in ib and most of it's people are Christian !!

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Media Atropatene was christian.

But why is it in armenia? Have no idea.

Which IB are you playing?

[parasa.b]

Wich ib do we have?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

There are two with armenia - IJ and RR.

[parasa.b]

Rr

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Then it's for balancing purposes, as Armenia was no longer independant in 410, it was a province of persia.

[Drtad]

Then it's for balancing purposes, as Armenia was no longer independant in 410, it was a province of persia.

Just to clear up some misconception, this is not entirely true. At this point in time the Arshakuni (Armenian Arsacid) dynasty had indeed declined in power severely, but it did indeed act independently, which was a hassle for both the Sassanids and the Romans at one point in time or another. In 410, Vramshapuh was the king of Armenia and in fact it was during his reign, in 405, that the unique Armenian alphabet was created.

Even after Armenia was officially made a province of the Sassanids (and partially Romans) in 428, it still largely retained de facto independence due to the heavily feudal nature of the country (the Nakharars). That's why they were able to launch the revolt they did (under the flag of the most prominent Nakharar family at the time, the Mamikonians) in 451 and eventually force the Sassanids to sign the Treaty of Nvarsak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvarsak_Treaty

That said, by 410 Armenia had severely declined, and did not control Atropatene.

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[Joar]

A good post, Drtad. Thanks for the clarification.

[parasa.b]

whats ij ?

[khosro-II-parviz]

Atropatene (Azarbaygan) was zoroastrian in sassanid empire .

not 100% ! chirstian....

[parasa.b]

thanx your right even merv was Christian in ib .

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

IJ is Somnivm Apostatae Iulianorvm.

Armenia also shouldn't be a faction in RR, as it was a part of Persia since 363.

[Gäiten]

Persarmenia is a separate faction due gameplay reasons.
Furthermore, in the 5th century was a huge uprising in Armenia versus the Sassanians due religious matters. that is another ideal background for a separate Armenian faction.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

But that came lake way later than 410AD. It came in the 450s.

It just gave me an idea... If the an armenian province (a part of the sassanid empire) rebels, it goes to an emergeant faction - the armenians.

[Joar]

But that came lake way later than 410AD. It came in the 450s.

RR is not a mod about the year 410, it only starts in 410.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I know, but why can't Armenia be emergeant?

[Gäiten]

Because players want to play faction from the start.
Remember, Persarmenia did have a higher level of autonomy in the Sassanian state than any other region. So there is a certain level of historical accuracy.

[JERUSALEM]

Because players want to play faction from the start.
Remember, Persarmenia did have a higher level of autonomy in the Sassanian state than any other region. So there is a certain level of historical accuracy.

Autonomy does not mean independence and right to have a free faction slot it better to omit that faction to to make game little more historically accurate

I think that idea needs some promotion

in the end it is always better to play with different factions to try something new more different than old stuff included in original Rome Total War (RTW) or in Barbarian Invasion (BI).

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Then shouldn't they atleast be allied?

[JERUSALEM]

You are right Armenia was under Sassanids rule in the 5th centure. Crown Princes or brothers of Shah (king or Emperor of Persia) from Arshacid and later Sassanid dynasty were the rulers of Armenian state that was fully controlled by Persian Shahs (title of Persian sovereign).
And the region Atropatene (or Media) was largely Zoroastrian and not Christian region. But the Regions like Van or Armenia (with the capital city of Arshacia) were mainly Christian but subordinated to Shah of Sassanid Iran/Persia.

My suggestion is to omit the Armenian faction and to insert Kingdom of Kartli (Iberia/Georgia) that more Historically accurate because Georgia was more independent during whole 5th century then Armenia and sometimes kings of Kartli (Georgia) mediated
between the Emperor of Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire) and Sassanid Persia. One and most vivid example is the Georgian king Vakhtang I Gorgasali (438-491) son of Mihrdat V Parnavazid (426-438) who had struggles not only with Alans and Huns in North Caucasus but he also fought with East Roman together with Persians Shahs (as he was the vassal of Shah) and later allied himself with East Romans he struggled for complete independence of Kartli (East Georgia) and South Caucasus against Sassanids and defeated them in several battles. War between Kartli and Persia lasted more approx. 10 year from 482-491 than the Great king Vakhtang I Gorgasali was murdered by Persian his servant gifted by Persians with poisonous arrows. That took place in Samgori field near Tbilisi (actually for today that battleground is already included in district of capital city of Tbilisi).

So my suggestion is to replace Armenian faction which was Persian dominion with independent Kingdom of Kartli (or Iberia as it was known by Romans and Greeks. Modern Georgia).