Muslims can not be good.

[squirel]

When a muslim is good or nice, he is so despite islam. Meaning, he is not following islam then and a muslim is someone who follows islam.

And when a muslim is bad, he is so because of islam.

[Helm]

They have to be good if they want to have any chance of getting into heaven, belief alone doesn't cut it in Islam.

[Tom Crooze]

So, Islam makes one evil according to you?

[Genius of the Restoration]

What a deep and impressive topic. I'm so pleased the OP has the insight to determine who is and who isn't a Muslim by laying down the absolute definition of Islam according to his own opinions. Go troll somewhere else.

[squirel]

hm, so you are arguing on the premise that it cant be known what islam is ?

[Genius of the Restoration]

I'm arguing on the premise that Islam isn't one singular thing. There is variation within it. To say someone isn't a Muslim because they don't practice or believe exactly what you think they should believe to be a Muslim is stupid, because Islam is a living faith with multiple interpretations and beliefs. Impressing your own views upon each set of beliefs within Islam doesn't render the participants non-Muslims, it just means the belief system is varied and perhaps isn't as simplistic as your definition would indicate.

Would you like to propose an argument for your opening post, or are you happy just to leave it as a provocative - and, in my opinion, a tad insulting - statement that will just see the thread get closed by mods?

[irontaino]

This thread

[squirel]

Perhaps there are those who feel the very opposite could be experienced as insulting as well ?

Islam isnt one singular thing. So.. it can be many things then ? Doesnt that seem a bit obscure?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Islam isnt one singular thing. So.. it can be many things then ? Doesnt that seem a bit obscure?

as personal religious beliefs are.

[Genius of the Restoration]

Perhaps there are those who feel the very opposite could be experienced as insulting as well ?

Insulted at the idea that a Muslim could also be a good person? I suppose such a sensitive bigot might exist.

Islam isnt one singular thing. So.. it can be many things then ? Doesnt that seem a bit obscure?

That is the idea, yes. Have you never heard anyone chant that a religion is not a monolith? In just about every thread here about Islam, someone will generalise something about Muslims and it'll pop up.

Keeping the definition 'obscure', or loose, more accurately reflect the religious traditions, which are themselves neither pervasive nor uniform even within similar sects. Taking too firm an approach limits understanding of how the various traditions interact because it removes some from Islam and seeks to establish a benchmark, from which the religion can never change, as an evolution in beliefs or practices is deemed un-Islamic.

[iliasukt]

Im a Muslim and islam dont make u evil :p !

[ShADoW]

When a muslim is good or nice, he is so despite islam. Meaning, he is not following islam then and a muslim is someone who follows islam.

And when a muslim is bad, he is so because of islam.

Damn bro, what have you been reading?

[Elfdude]

This is hilarious. While I find a lot of quran abhorent and immoral I would not say that's uncommon amongst religions. The bible and torah both have similar ideals presented in them. However islam has one thing christianity doesn't, an organized religious government these governments sponsor using bastardized, or out of context concepts in the Quran to obtain more power. Islamic terrorists are the result of one part brain washing, and one part organized funding. There's not really any christian theocracies around to breed christian terrorists. America or Ireland would probably come closest to a parallel.

[Ciabhán]

As this thread isn't so much a debate about religion/religious values but is instead a platform for one person's opinion it is now closed.

[Caledonian Rhyfelwyr]

Depends on what interpretation of Islam you are going by.

If the Wahhabists are right, then I guess the OP is correct.