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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8593748.stm

    Scientists have shown they can change people's moral judgements by disrupting a specific area of the brain with magnetic pulses.

    They identified a region of the brain just above and behind the right ear which appears to control morality. And by using magnetic pulses to block cell activity they impaired volunteers' notion of right and wrong.
    The small Massachusetts Institute of Technology study appears in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Lead researcher Dr Liane Young said: "You think of morality as being a really high-level behaviour.
    "To be able to apply a magnetic field to a specific brain region and change people's moral judgments is really astonishing."

    The key area of the brain is a knot of nerve cells known as the right temporo-parietal junction (RTPJ). The researchers subjected 20 volunteers to a number of tests designed to assess their notions of right and wrong. In one scenario participants were asked how acceptable it was for a man to let his girlfriend walk across a bridge he knew to be unsafe. After receiving a 500 millisecond magnetic pulse to the scalp, the volunteers delivered verdicts based on outcome rather than moral principle. If the girlfriend made it across the bridge safely, her boyfriend was not seen as having done anything wrong. In effect, they were unable to make moral judgments that require an understanding of other people's intentions.

    Previous work has shown the RTPJ to be highly active when people think about the thoughts and beliefs of others.

    Electric currents
    The MIT team pinpointed the region in volunteers using a sophisticated functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) brain scan. They then targeted the area using a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to create weak electric currents that temporarily stop brain cells working normally. In one test, volunteers were exposed to TMS for 25 minutes before reading stories involving morally questionable characters, and being asked to judge their actions. In a second experiment, volunteers were subjected to a much shorter 500 millisecond TMS burst while being asked to make a moral judgement. In both cases, the researchers found that when the RTPJ was disrupted volunteers were more likely to judge actions solely on the basis of whether they caused harm - not whether they were morally wrong in themselves.

    Morally dubious acts with a "happy" ending were often deemed acceptable.
    Sarah-Jayne Blakemore, a brain expert at University College London, said the findings were insightful.
    "The study suggests that this region - the RTPJ - is necessary for moral reasoning.
    "What is interesting is that this is a region that is very late developing - into adolescence and beyond right into the 20s.
    "The next step would be to look at how or whether moral development changes through childhood into adulthood."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post
    We are organic machines.
    Well, things are increasingly pointing towards that, but it's still a premature conclusion. Until neuroscience is able to adequately define what thought is, there are still parts of our brain that remain utterly abstract to us.
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    Self Comes To Mind: Constructing The Conscious Brain,A. Damásio
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    What if those moral beliefs are based on a religion? Would that just make the person crazy(with their own beliefs contradicting each other) or would that person be able to exert enough will to still have the original belief?

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    Thats interesting =\

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    We are organic machines.
    I don’t see how that follows, our beliefs are created by our consciousness and stored in the brain, if you change that then of course you change what we have stored over the years.

    An analogy; if you changed your car each time you got into it such that it was a different car after a number of years, that would be the same as if someone else had changed that car in one go.

    My guess is that there are reasons why you believe in what you believe in, so if that was changed in the physical the consciousness would try to change it back again. Having said that, much of our beliefs are implanted by our families and societies, such that I feel there are only a few nuances which make a given morality particular to the consciousness. Imagine yourself as a christian, a Buddhist, an atheist or what have you, now imagine what you would be as such! ~ this is what those nuances are.




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