An Idea On Income Redistribution...

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Not enough time to forward an advanced, long drawn out explanation, but here's basic idea:

50% of incomes of the rich are taken and redistributed to things like welfare and health care and tutition support for the poor, and in return the rich receive absolutely free health care and are immune from other taxes for the year.

Do you think it could work?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

taxes on "rich" people are already at like 35% and they don't come close to running the country.

why should I be forced to give away the sweat of my brow to a lazy bastard just because I'm working harder than he is? Everyone pays taxes. Axing it for the "poor" is a stupid idea.

Besides, who is "rich"? Who is "poor"? Most people earn like €35,000 - €60,000 a year. That's neither rich nor poor.

[Jack.Says]

taxes on "rich" people are already at like 35% and they don't come close to running the country.

why should I be forced to give away the sweat of my brow to a lazy bastard just because I'm working harder than he is? Everyone pays taxes. Axing it for the "poor" is a stupid idea.

Besides, who is "rich"? Who is "poor"? Most people earn like €35,000 - €60,000 a year. That's neither rich nor poor.

are you "rich"?

-they can well afford it, we're talking about rich right. not some roody poo who has 1 million in real estate assets.

-the sweat from your brow comes from yelling in meetings all day. janitors, they work harder. if working hard=get paid well than CEOs wouldnt be making much compared to burger flipping. oh and most inherit their fortune.

i'm all for taxing the rich btw. their 'earnings' have increased nicely this decade so they can deal with it.

[Basil II the B.S]

i'm all for taxing the rich btw. their 'earnings' have increased nicely this decade so they can deal with it.

Rich people will rightfully ''deal with it'' with tax evasion and fiscal paradises in that case.

[Amorphos]

Rich people will rightfully ''deal with it'' with tax evasion and fiscal paradises in that case.

Tax their money far more if they take it out of the country in such a manner. And close up the loopholes.

[Basil II the B.S]

Tax their money far more if they take it out of the country in such a manner. And close up the loopholes.

Then burn my own money is the only option. Government and the lovely poor will get nothing, thanks to their greed. Pretty sure Sun Tzu suggested to never corner the opponent.

Or, give up with the idea of the government being Robin Hood, or similar fairy tales world based policies.
Don't just tax the rich because because he's rich. Redistribution should be based on merit before need.
As long as that's the main point, I can even agree to a fair progressive taxation.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

-the sweat from your brow comes from yelling in meetings all day. janitors, they work harder. if working hard=get paid well than CEOs wouldnt be making much compared to burger flipping. oh and most inherit their fortune.

oh yes, a guy who digs holes all day works a lot harder than a guy who manages a Supermarket chain. But anyone can dig holes, very few people have the skills to successfully manage a supermarket chain, which is why they are paid more.

[Desperado †]

why should I be forced to give away the sweat of my brow to a lazy bastard just because I'm working harder than he is?

Income correlates with hard work? Umm, I think not.

Besides, who is "rich"? Who is "poor"? Most people earn like €35,000 - €60,000 a year. That's neither rich nor poor.

Get out of your dream world. Half of Britain earns under £24,000 (€28,000). The situation isn't that different in most other developed countries. And the developed countries are just the icing on the cake of the worlds population.

[k995]

taxes on "rich" people are already at like 35% and they don't come close to running the country.

why should I be forced to give away the sweat of my brow to a lazy bastard just because I'm working harder than he is? Everyone pays taxes. Axing it for the "poor" is a stupid idea.

Please lets not pretend someone who makes 6000$ an hour works a 1000 times as hard as someone with 6$ an hour.

How hard you work and how much you make sometimes has little influence.

Besides, who is "rich"? Who is "poor"? Most people earn like €35,000 - €60,000 a year. That's neither rich nor poor.

Well the 250 000 wich is 1.5 % of the households seems like a nice line to draw.

Hard work isn't something that makes you sweat. Hard work is something most people can't do.

hard work is hard work wether you sweat or not.

[Viking Prince]

Perhaps it woul be better to explain why it is a government function to redistribute income in the first place. I agree with a degree of progressive taxation, but only as a means to lessen the burden of financing needed government on the poor. To expand the reach of government with more entitlements is clearly not a good idea. The more you require from the government, the less freedom you retain in your own life.

[chilon]

Perhaps it woul be better to explain why it is a government function to redistribute income in the first place. I agree with a degree of progressive taxation, but only as a means to lessen the burden of financing needed government on the poor. To expand the reach of government with more entitlements is clearly not a good idea.

Do you support the elimination of current entitlements like the huge subsidies to farmers which is redistributing the wealth of urban citizens to farming corporations? How about eliminating California's forced use of corn ethanol due to midwest corn farming conglomerates lobby?

The "reach of government" has been continually expanded through corporate conglomerate interests over the last 20+ years. This is why we have demoschlerosis.

If I was rich, I would rather burn my money than have it taken by the government and given to the poor,

A true martyr for the virtue of selfishness you are.

[xcorps]

Not enough time to forward an advanced, long drawn out explanation, but here's basic idea:

50% of incomes of the rich are taken and redistributed to things like welfare and health care and tutition support for the poor, and in return the rich receive absolutely free health care and are immune from other taxes for the year.

Do you think it could work?

You're proposing entitlements for the rich.

[Col. Tartleton]

I think we should stop empathizing with people. That would solve the welfare problem in a snap.

[Denny Crane!]

Not enough time to forward an advanced, long drawn out explanation, but here's basic idea:

50% of incomes of the rich are taken and redistributed to things like welfare and health care and tutition support for the poor, and in return the rich receive absolutely free health care and are immune from other taxes for the year.

Do you think it could work?

We already tax the rich 50% every year in this country and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. We also tax people who aren't rich but paid well 40%

The rest of the people like me who really aren't that rich are taxed 32%. Seems like if you try to find any more milk on this cow all you'll get is Moo.

[Dr. Croccer]

Not enough time to forward an advanced, long drawn out explanation, but here's basic idea:

50% of incomes of the rich are taken and redistributed to things like welfare and health care and tutition support for the poor, and in return the rich receive absolutely free health care and are immune from other taxes for the year.

Do you think it could work?

The problem is that you get an arbitrary definition for what constitutes ''rich''.

[Basil II the B.S]

There is no reason to tax a rich just because he's ''rich'' and give it to the poor just because he's poor. It's anti-meritocratic and therefore wrong and immoral.

And if I'm rich, I couldn't care less about free health care, I'd quit the country with all my money asap.

[intel]

50% of incomes of the rich are taken and redistributed to things like welfare and health care and tutition support for the poor, and in return the rich receive absolutely free health care and are immune from other taxes for the year.

Do you think it could work?

No.

First of all, rich are already taxed at 40+% of income in many countries.

Secondly: welfare, poorcare and healthcare usually are relatively small portion of state budget. Much more is spent on administration, bureaucracy, investments, infrastructure and so. Your idea is simply taxation with the entirely different budget priorities which are not as much of a priority as the ones listed above.

[C-Rob]

the last thing governments need is to give incentives to the stupid and sick with money to vote for them, and that's exactly what income redistribution does.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

And (again, sorry I'm rushed) what if we fixed the whole "lazy bastard" syndrome by making sure that only people who needed and deserved the money got it? A.K.A people that are just totally down on their luck or are just not making enough money to support themselves while excluding people who are able to support themselves if they'd lower their value of living (no 3D TVs for example) or are able to get a job and are totally healthy with no disabilities from the plan?

Again sorry for the vague and very short explanations and I'd love to debate on it all but I'm pressed for time sadly.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

And (again, sorry I'm rushed) what if we fixed the whole "lazy bastard" syndrome by making sure that only people who needed and deserved the money got it? A.K.A people that are just totally down on their luck or are just not making enough money to support themselves while excluding people who are able to support themselves if they'd lower their value of living (no 3D TVs for example) or are able to get a job and are totally healthy with no disabilities from the plan?

Again sorry for the vague and very short explanations and I'd love to debate on it all but I'm pressed for time sadly.

social welfare is usually higher when you first coem onto it, then it drops after a while. That's ensuring people get off it, but that it still helps the unfortunate people who lose their jobs and need time to find new ones.