Where is YHWH in the New Testament?

[Exarch]

you have this central character, this omnipotent being named YHWH who plays a key part in the stories of the Old Testament, and yet in the New Testament, it's mainly Jesus claiming to be YHWH's son so i was wondering, where is YHWH all this time and what accounted for his apparent change in attitude/disappearance?

[Squiggle]

YHWH is Jesus, the change of "character" is a result of the new testament with man kind...

[Exarch]

YHWH is Jesus, the change of "character" is a result of the new testament with man kind...

jesus is his own father? but when he's on the cross he refers to his god as having forsaken him thereby implying that jesus and YHWH are seperate.

also, in the OT wouldnt 'mankind' already have a lot in common with YHWH especially considering YHWH claims to have made man in his image?

[Squiggle]

jesus is his own father? but when he's on the cross he refers to his god as having forsaken him thereby implying that jesus and YHWH are seperate.

Yes, hence the concept of the trinity. God the father, God the son [Jesus] and God the holy spirit. All equal persons of the same being, God.

also, in the OT wouldnt 'mankind' already have a lot in common with YHWH especially considering YHWH claims to have made man in his image?

Nonsense, God is the platonic good. He does not murder anyone, nor does anyone commit murder, if he actually told them to do it. He brings justice.

[black-dragon]

God is the platonic good. He does not murder anyone, nor does anyone commit murder, if he actually told them to do it. He brings justice.

So it's a game of semantics? You're endorsing the wholesale slaughter of infants and innocents? Plato would be repulsed at such a barbaric morality. He'd probably think even less of the documents that inspired it.

It's hilarious how theists here keep accusing atheists of being immoral and then they vomit out garbage like this. It literally makes me feel sick how people like you can just apathetically wave their hand at mass infanticide and then have the nerve to call it 'justice'.

[Squiggle]

So it's a game of semantics? You're endorsing the wholesale slaughter of infants and innocents?

No, its not a case of semantics. There was no slaughter of innocence, only the condemned were killed. As I said. In the post your replying to.

Plato would be repulsed at such a barbaric morality. He'd probably think even less of the documents that inspired it.

And? I don't really care what plato's conclusion would be.

It's hilarious how theists here keep accusing atheists of being immoral and then they vomit out garbage like this. It literally makes me feel sick how people like you can just apathetically wave their hand at mass infanticide and then have the nerve to call it 'justice'.

It makes me sick how little you understand the things you criticize. Have some intellectual honesty here and just profess you are entirely ignorant of the topic.

[Border Patrol]

So it's a game of semantics? You're endorsing the wholesale slaughter of infants and innocents? Plato would be repulsed at such a barbaric morality. He'd probably think even less of the documents that inspired it.

If you actually read the damned thing, you would see that Abraham had god agree to spare the city if he found TEN, just ten innocents. Besides that, it's just a story. It teaches simple morals and this attitude of yours isn't doing atheism any favors.

PLATO? Why the hell does Plato matter? At all? This post reeks of a need for an unquestionable authority-a god,if you will, that can paint things black and white for you.

It's hilarious how theists here keep accusing atheists of being immoral and then they vomit out garbage like this. It literally makes me feel sick how people like you can just apathetically wave their hand at mass infanticide and then have the nerve to call it 'justice'.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

What a load of . Absolute propaganda.

[Exarch]

Yes, hence the concept of the trinity. God the father, God the son [Jesus] and God the holy spirit. All equal persons of the same being, God.
Nonsense, God is the platonic good. He does not murder anyone, nor does anyone commit murder, if he actually told them to do it. He brings justice.

even by OT standards, justice doesn't equate to genocide (i don't really believe the babies or infants in sodom and gomorrah as being deserving of 'justice')-as u can see i don't really subscribe to the notion of 'original sin'. YHWH of the OT is anything but 'the common platonic good'.

by the concept of the 'trinity', one could say that you, me, siddhartha gautama, confucius, muhammed, L. Ron Hubbard are all equal persons of the same being, God.
but i can see the trinity discussion is going to open a millenia y/o can of worms, so to get back on topic, YHWH who plays a very proactive role in the OT is noticeably absent in the NT, even as his son/himself is being nailed to a cross.
on that note,
i also find it hard to believe that an omnipotent being would have to go through the motions of being born as a human then getting crucified by other humans in order to undo original sin.
key word being omnipotent.

[Squiggle]

even by OT standards, justice doesn't equate to genocide (i don't really believe the babies or infants in sodom and gomorrah as being deserving of 'justice')-as u can see i don't really subscribe to the notion of 'original sin'. YHWH of the OT is anything but 'the common platonic good'.

What is this gibberish? Even by old testament standards- the book where God commits genocide and claims it is just- genocide is not just, under any grounds. Waaaaaht?! Nor is original sin the basis of Sodom, the Canaanites or anything else.

by the concept of the 'trinity', one could say that you, me, siddhartha gautama, confucius, muhammed, L. Ron Hubbard are all equal persons of the same being, God.

Nope.

but i can see the trinity discussion is going to open a millenia y/o can of worms, so to get back on topic, YHWH who plays a very proactive role in the OT is noticeably absent in the NT, even as his son/himself is being nailed to a cross.

What do you expect, really? Jesus was meant to be nailed on the cross, the Son was meant to atone for the sins of mankind through death and the judgment of God. Did you expect him to pop in on the last second and scream psyche?

on that note,
i also find it hard to believe that an omnipotent being would have to go through the motions of being born as a human then getting crucified by other humans in order to undo original sin.
key word being omnipotent.

God is the embodiment of perfect justice, under the law the punishment for sin is death. God is also the embodiment of perfect mercy, and therefore through his perfect mercy God saved mankind through his own sacrifice. The son sacrificed his human life and went under the anguish of Judgment by God so that we may be saved that situation ourselves. It was a necessary decision by God's nature.

[black-dragon]

Does that make Jesus a frenzied murderer?

[Squiggle]

Not a clue what your talking about, though I highly doubt you do either.

[black-dragon]

God murdered many people in the OT. If God and Jesus are the same person, then that makes Jesus a murderer.

[basics]

" God murdered many people in the OT. If God and Jesus are the same person, then that makes Jesus a murderer. "

black-dragon,

You call it murder yet Scripture calls it justice for all men are destined to die and the circumstances matter not because death in any respect is justice. Now you think He is a murderer but He could be your Saviour something that not many if any murderers could be.

[sephodwyrm]

Jesus did refer to YHWH as Father or Lord or something.
I mean, when he's praying in the garden vineyard/whatever before some soldiers/guards/ruffians arrested him, he's gotta be praying to someone else, right? Doesn't make sense if he's praying to himself.

[sephodwyrm]

I've heard that YHWH is a very typical god from the mesopotamian region. Fickle, bloodthirsty, vengeful and deals in black and white.
Which is a response to the climate of the region. Which is also fickle and kills a lot of people by denying them of thirst or flooding their homes.

[Exarch]

I've heard that YHWH is a very typical god from the mesopotamian region. Fickle, bloodthirsty, vengeful and deals in black and white.
Which is a response to the climate of the region. Which is also fickle and kills a lot of people by denying them of thirst or flooding their homes.

well that's the crux of judeo-christian religions from the middle east.

their deities are typical of the culture of surivival in that part of the world, spiced with a hint of local myth and legend eg epic of gilgamesh

[Dan the Man]

It's hilarious how theists here keep accusing atheists of being immoral and then they vomit out garbage like this. It literally makes me feel sick how people like you can just apathetically wave their hand at mass infanticide and then have the nerve to call it 'justice'.

That was such a strawman it's not even funny.
I also find it amusing that you've completely turned around the topic of this thread.However, to address your remarks, there were nine other plagues on the Egyptians, each becoming more dangerous and harmful than the first. Pharaoh had his chance to release his hold on the Hebrews. If you want to blame somebody for being "immoral" then he would be the one to pin it on. He got selfish and decided he cared more about his building projects than the fact that his people were suffering even worse than their slaves, which was what the Hebrews were. Now, to "right the ship" and address the OP's question, Squiggle pretty much has it right. Though, YHWH is in the NT at the time of Jesus' transfiguration.

[black-dragon]

That was such a strawman it's not even funny. .

There's nothing even resembling a strawman there. The strawman fallacy refers to countering an argument by building up a misrepresentation of it, easier to refute, and going for that instead of the real one. For one, I'm merely expressing my opinion, not addressing his argument, so on that basis alone you are wrong. But secondly, the factual claims I made are accurate. Squiggle calls atheists immoral and in this very thread has claimed that the massacres in the OT were 'just'. Perhaps you need to sharpen your understanding of informal fallacies, and return here when you know the definitions of terms that you're using.

I also find it amusing that you've completely turned around the topic of this thread.However, to address your remarks, there were nine other plagues on the Egyptians, each becoming more dangerous and harmful than the first. Pharaoh had his chance to release his hold on the Hebrews. If you want to blame somebody for being "immoral" then he would be the one to pin it on. He got selfish and decided he cared more about his building projects than the fact that his people were suffering even worse than their slaves, which was what the Hebrews were. Now, to "right the ship" and address the OP's question, Squiggle pretty much has it right. Though, YHWH is in the NT at the time of Jesus' transfiguration.

Have you bothered to read your Bible? Every time that Pharaoh considered giving in to Moses' demands, God 'hardened his heart'. I pointed this out in one of my previous posts. Do you bother to read the posts that you reply to? I'd rather not waste my time defending myself from asinine 'criticism'.

And yet we were speaking of Sodom.
Hypocritical? How in the am I a hypocrite, I've said literally nothing other than "you're wrong". Which you are.

My mistake. I also said you have an attitude. Which you do.

Exarch was speaking of Sodom. I clearly stated that I was speaking of Egypt. Do you want me to go back and pull quotes? You implied that I hadn't read the text we were discussing. Then you went on to show that you hadn't bothered to read the post that you were replying to. That's hypocrisy. And about the attitude, yeah, I'll admit that I'm not being cordial. But I'm only replying with the same amount of respect that I'm recieving. We can go back and pull quotes to demonstrate that, too. If you want to be addressed with respect, then posts like this:

If you actually read the damned thing...
This post reeks of a need for an unquestionable authority...

...THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

What a load of . Absolute propaganda.

aren't going to get it for you. If you're incapable of adjusting the tone of your responses, that's fine with me. Just expect the same in return.

[Border Patrol]

And yet we were speaking of Sodom.
Hypocritical? How in the am I a hypocrite, I've said literally nothing other than "you're wrong". Which you are.

My mistake. I also said you have an attitude. Which you do.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I thought Jesus and YHWH where one and the same?

jesus is his own father? but when he's on the cross he refers to his god as having forsaken him thereby implying that jesus and YHWH are seperate.

also, in the OT wouldnt 'mankind' already have a lot in common with YHWH especially considering YHWH claims to have made man in his image?

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