spacing of unit

[gary]

Hi all not sure if this is correct... but i have noticed a funny spacing in my units, the soldiers all seem to be set to skirmish? this is my pikeman on what should be a tight formation, if i press open order or skirmish, nothing happens? at first i thought this was part of the mod as swordsmans and speerman were set as is in the pic... but as a looked on at the pikman i thought to my self this looks wrong? any ideas?

as you can see in the picture i have my pike set to the specialization.

[wudang_clown]

This is an original setting, so the only thing you can do is to modify it in EDU.

[gary]

This is an original setting, so the only thing you can do is to modify it in EDU.

I dont understand my pikeman cannot form a pike wall.... this makes no sense? to have so much spacing? Pike would not be like this? it must be a mistake..... because if i press skirmish order then they stay as they are.. this cannot be right? i remember playing broken ctresant some years ago well i stopped about a year ago.. when it was first released the units did not have this spacing? so what has happened since then? and can soemone give me the correct spacing?

[wudang_clown]

If you want to change it, you need to experiment a bit with EDU settings. That's nothing hard, actually.

I can't give you "correct" value, because I don't know it.

[gary]

If you want to change it, you need to experiment a bit with EDU settings. That's nothing hard, actually.

I can't give you "correct" value, because I don't know it.

yeah i would not know where to start mate.

[Neige]

That can't be right. My pikemen look like this:

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Check your EDU ("export_descr_unit.txt" can be found in broken crescent data folder). Find the line kontaratoi pikemen, below is how it should look:

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ere_pikemen

; ; COMMENTS kontaratoi pikemen / Start exp: 0 / Refr rate: 0.5 / Pool cap: 9
type ere pikemen
dictionary ere_pikemen
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light
accent Mediterranean
banner faction main_spear
banner holy crusade
soldier ere_pikemen, 50, 0, 0.85
attributes sea_faring, sea_faring, hide_forest, frighten_mount, can_withdraw, very_hardy
formation 0.9, 1.08, 1.14, 1.33, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_8, long_pike
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_simple, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 10, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground -1, 1, -4, 0
stat_mental 14, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 939, 235, 400, 548, 1408, 20, 704
stat_stl 15
armour_ug_levels 3
armour_ug_models ere_pikemen
ownership byzantium, slave
;unit_info 7, 16

[gary]

That can't be right. My pikemen look like this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Check your EDU ("export_descr_unit.txt" can be found in broken crescent data folder). Find the line kontaratoi pikemen, below is how it should look:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ere_pikemen

; ; COMMENTS kontaratoi pikemen / Start exp: 0 / Refr rate: 0.5 / Pool cap: 9
type ere pikemen
dictionary ere_pikemen
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light
accent Mediterranean
banner faction main_spear
banner holy crusade
soldier ere_pikemen, 50, 0, 0.85
attributes sea_faring, sea_faring, hide_forest, frighten_mount, can_withdraw, very_hardy
formation 0.9, 1.08, 1.14, 1.33, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_8, long_pike
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_simple, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 10, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground -1, 1, -4, 0
stat_mental 14, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 939, 235, 400, 548, 1408, 20, 704
stat_stl 15
armour_ug_levels 3
armour_ug_models ere_pikemen
ownership byzantium, slave
;unit_info 7, 16

hey mate can you send me your edu and i will just replace yours with mine thanks. that is probably easier

I have just tried what you said copy and paste but the spacing is case sensitive i think so i got a ctd on start up page, so if anyone can send me their EDU_ that would be easier

[wudang_clown]

I think gary is using 2.02 EDU, and there the line is "formation 1.2, 3.0, 1.2, 3.0, 5, square, phalanx".

Gary, open EDU and copy the line cited by Neige Noire; save the file and your pikemen formation will be changed.

[gary]

I think gary is using 2.02 EDU, and there the line is "formation 1.2, 3.0, 1.2, 3.0, 5, square, phalanx".

Gary, open EDU and copy the line cited by Neige Noire; save the file and your pikemen formation will be changed.

yeah ok does that mean then that 2.2 edu is wrong? and thanks for the prompt reply really appreciate it.

[wudang_clown]

No problem.

Yes, that's a bug.

[wudang_clown]

Here, at the end of the post:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...90#post7952290

[Neige]

I am using the gamegeek's EDU and as wudang clown pointed out, you can dl it in his thread. But be prepared for quite a different gameplay experience.

[gary]

I am using the gamegeek's EDU and as wudang clown pointed out, you can dl it in his thread. But be prepared for quite a different gameplay experience.

in what way can you explain a little more on this? what sort ofgame play experiences? thanks as well.

[Neige]

Well from what I recall from the previous EDU (Haven't touched it for a very long time) battles are now longer due to increased armour values, and actually the whole battle system has been altered and imo made more realistic. The unit upkeep and recruitment values are also higher I think. You can read all the info about it in the link wudang clown posted.

[gary]

Well from what I recall from the previous EDU (Haven't touched it for a very long time) battles are now longer due to increased armour values, and actually the whole battle system has been altered and imo made more realistic. The unit upkeep and recruitment values are also higher I think. You can read all the info about it in the link wudang clown posted.

Ah ok mate thank you will have alook.

[trollface]

The wide spacing of my metsivokhe archers made it nigh on impossible to plant their stakes in a city siege... it was frustrating