Help! CTD at Aragon Turn

**xes** · December 18, 2010, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Ishan

Sorry couldn't spot any errors in your log basically a log gets refreshed if you start a new game or load a previous save etc.
The log must be submitted as soon as the crash happens without launching the game again. If you did the same thing then sorry i can't spot any obvious errors.

Also double posting means 2 consecutive posts by same user that is one after another so you didn't double posted.

Hmm I think that my save game files are corrupted. It happens now in every save game. Does someone know is it repairable? It happens always on Kingdom of Aragon turn

new error log, just after ctd

**Ishan** · December 18, 2010, 06:53 AM

Post copied and moved to M2TW Workshop.

The log still doesn't shows clear errors hopefully some other modder might suggest you with some remedy.

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 07:41 AM

Give it to the SS people. My mod's crashing about the same place.

13:09:49.625 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <triumphs_in_battle_clear> fired
13:09:49.625 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Battle_General_Took_Hits> fired
13:09:49.625 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <battle1> fired
13:09:49.625 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <battle5> fired

**Ishan** · December 18, 2010, 08:01 AM

Sir Ron i brought this from the SS-Technical forums seems nobody can pinpoint the cause.

Edit seems this in red is the last trigger that was fired before the crash:-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

And in the EDCT the trigger is:-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

He is getting the crash at aragon's turn(next turn thingy)

**Squid** · December 18, 2010, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ishan

Sir Ron i brought this from the SS-Technical forums seems nobody can pinpoint the cause.

Edit seems this in red is the last trigger that was fired before the crash:-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

And in the EDCT the trigger is:-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

He is getting the crash at aragon's turn(next turn thingy)

Not that I expect it to make a huge different but replace the not Trait BiologicalSon = 1 with Trait BiologicalSon != 1.

What are few trace lines prior to what you show above? I'd like to see what other triggers are firing.

EDIT: Now that I'm looking at that I'm wondering if the heir and king both died in the same battle, and the trigger is firing on a dead character?

**Gigantus** · December 18, 2010, 08:18 AM

I hate these errors were the log runs in loops the last couple of lines and then the bink thingy comes.

Apparently a factionleader got killed in a battle and an adopted family member became the heir. Difficult to replicate, otherwise I would have suggested to comment out the trigger.

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 08:24 AM

These are driving me nuts. Stainless Steel is not alone.

**Taiji** · December 18, 2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by xes

Hmm I think that my save game files are corrupted. It happens now in every save game. Does someone know is it repairable? It happens always on Kingdom of Aragon turn

new error log, just after ctd

If your savegame is corrupted then investigating any problem connected to that is most likely a waste of time.

UAC and 3rd party security software like anitvirus can cause savegame corruption. Also don't rely on autosave, make your own saves, and don't use quicksaves. That's all the advice I have to offer.

**Ishan** · December 18, 2010, 08:28 AM

Haha never overdo the traits in your mod, lesson i have learned.

**Gigantus** · December 18, 2010, 08:29 AM

Which reminds me of essential reading: How To Fix UAC and VirtualStore Problems

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 08:58 AM

Corrupted savegames also is a sign of minimum ram and very little free harddisc space badly fragmented. MSN, mIRC, and autoupdaters can do it, too.

**Taiji** · December 18, 2010, 10:04 AM

I forgot to mention that installing m2tw in 'program files' on vista and 7 causes problems. I guess SO covers that in the virtual store stuff, just pointing out the simple solution.

**Gigantus** · December 18, 2010, 10:12 AM

Before that thread existed I always used to tell people to install outside the program files folder (Bill's revenge), the thread explains it a bit better.

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 11:07 AM

My UAC has been off since Win 7 install last year so least of worries for one. Between it and my copy of Medieval2 is in C:\Games takes everything out of the virtual store. I have nothing for this game in virtual store and I still am fighting this.

The code does not like Captains taking the last settlement of a faction, pure and simple. I have been commenting otu traits since we, including Gigantus, Taiji, Ishan, and Squid, got the priest on ship ctd solved. Generals are also having trouble with the extermination triggers.

If another mod wishes to work with me on these problems, they can contact me.

**Squid** · December 18, 2010, 11:23 AM

I'm always up for solving a good mystery. I liked that ship problem, it made me think, something I do far too rarely these days unless I'm modding, coding or doing technical admin stuff.

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 12:04 PM

@Squid, I can post my last EDCT and you can hava a look at it and see all the ones I have commented out.

**Squid** · December 18, 2010, 12:34 PM

Sure toss it up.

**Taiji** · December 18, 2010, 01:00 PM

irishron, is this the answer perhaps?:

---------------------------------------------------
Identifier: AgentType
Trigger requirements: character_record
Parameters: character type (spy, assassin, diplomat, admiral, general, named character, family)
Sample use: AgentType = diplomat
Description: Test to see if a character is of a particular type (spy, admiral, named character &c.)
Battle or Strat: Strat
Class: CHARACTER_TYPE_TEST
Implemented: Yes
Author: Lee
---------------------------------------------------

I notice in DLV's EDCT stuff like this

Trait Hatesegypt
Characters family
NoGoingBackLevel 3
AntiTraits Fearsegypt
etc. ..

And then for a trigger:

Code:

	WhenToTest PostBattle

	Condition IsGeneral
	and PercentageBodyguardKilled > 70
	and BattleSuccess >= average
	and GeneralFoughtFaction egypt

That's it... Family is clearly required by the trait but then AgentType isn't used. Isgeneral... 'General?' Is that a 'Family' to the EDCT? Odd, because things don't work like that elsewhere

Like in descr_character a general isn't even capable of gaining traits at all.

And in campaign script 'family' would not include everything included by 'named character'.

You see what I mean perhaps, and perhaps I am totally wrong

The point being that I don't know if traits enable triggers or the other way around. And so know whether or not triggers are firing in situations where the wrong character type is targeted. Plus I don't know what happens when 10-30 of these happen at once, as tends to happen since it's such an exciting time to gain a trait.

**irishron** · December 18, 2010, 01:02 PM

It's happening to me when I take the last settlement of a faction with a Captain, it will ctd and the two conditions that are always there are PostBattle and Is General.

The last time I could make a Captain a Man-of-Hour General and take the same settlement, It crashed on extermination6.

I have had Spain eliminate Genoa/Milan and ctd on extermination5_ai.

**Taiji** · December 18, 2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by irishron

The last time I could make a Captain a Man-of-Hour General and take the same settlement, It crashed on extermination6.

Exactly the kind of thing that crossed my mind.

Also look at this:

---------------------------------------------------
Identifier: PostBattle
Event: When a battle has finished
Exports: nc_character_record, character_record, faction, region_id, character_type
Class: ET_POST_BATTLE
Author: Lee
---------------------------------------------------

No condition requires that export. So what must it be for?

Interested to hear how tests turn out

It could have implications for the use of all character_type exporting events.

For example:

---------------------------------------------------
Identifier: GeneralAbandonCrusade
Event: A General has left the Crusade/Jihad
Exports: nc_character_record, character_record, faction, region_id, character_type, religion, crusade, target_settlement, target_region_id, target_faction, target_religion
Class: ET_GENERAL_ABANDON_CRUSADE
Author: Grig
---------------------------------------------------

Perhaps this is an event which can fire when a character without a character record (a 'general' in descr_character) abandons a crusade. The original 'named character' dies and the 'general' left in his place is the GeneralAbandonCrusade target. Maybe the game is helped somehow by specifying a named character as being the potential recipient of the trait. It seems to me that this character_type thingy has some importance for these events.

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