discussion: slave, rivers, silk

**RollingWave** · December 18, 2010, 03:51 AM

Hello all, I'm adding in a lot of new building for my upcomming verison of the submod, oen aspect is to make the economic buildings more diverse and interesting and part of that is adding in more buildings so that more of the resources in the game have interesting functions...

For example I now have salt trade buildings... which obviously requires salt resourcse to build... and in a similar ilk I have quarry and mason workshops... you can build them everywhere and they'll reduce the cost of future building projects a little... but if built at places with marbles they also give some trade bonus and a little more effect on the building cost down

The point of this thread though, is to go through 3 aspects that i want to discuss... rivers.. silk trade and slave trade...

Rivers are a huge means of trade and A LOT of the pre-modern settlements were founded around rivers... 6.3 already have river hidden resource, but I plan on expanding it further, making it two level.. river and large_river, and expanding the river ports to 3 level.

So I would like to discuss the list of settlements where rivers or large rivers would be appropriate, some are fairly obvious (like Baghdad being large river) while others are not so obvious. at the moment my list is

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obviously this is probably incomplete... and some might be off.. would anyone with a better idea of the geography of those areas comment on what should and should not? basically any settlement that have some sort of navigtable river with some sort of history on river trade should qualify as having river... while obviously large river is more subjective...

In a similar sense. we have slave trade and silk road. both rather self explanitory. i have added in a hidden resource slave / silk_road to my edb , and i would wonder where they be appropriate...

right now my entry is...

Slaves (slave means the area is either a large exporting / trasporting hub or a huge market for them. small markets don't count)

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while my silk road list (incomplete really, any major point of the silk road should count)

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I really havn't had enough of a look at the appropriate turk / kwarezm provinces that should have them , would anyone help make some suggestion / comment on this ?

I could really use your help on these, all these buildings have been coded but I want a more thorough list of where i'm suppose to assign them to.

**Gogolometro** · December 18, 2010, 04:41 AM

My feedback. What I know, are some major rivers and in relation with cities can give you big bonus. Dont follow just the size of city. The bigest rivers in Europe are Danube, Volga, Don, Rin. In Middle East we have Tigris, Eufratus and bigest river over the world, Nile. Is just easy to watch what cities are riverans and relation with comercial oportunity there.

About slaves and salt. Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania regions are rich for last 2500 years in salt. Even more the wallachians and moldavians have it slave commerce, most of them gypsies and tatars(mongols).
Probably the slave hub must be North Africa, especially Morroco and Tunis, follow by fatimids/ayubids.

Why not add a silk road feature, north Black Sea with an end to Constantinople and the south road via Bagdad?

**Paladin94610** · December 18, 2010, 04:51 AM

If you are going to add Lumber Mill, highest lumber mill should be restricted to regions having both rivers or large rivers AND wood(how will you name??) hidden_resources. River logging is very important for the timber trade since in medieval europe they lack elephants of asia or tractors of modern era.

**RollingWave** · December 18, 2010, 06:27 AM

currently my only restriction on lumber is really that it can't be build in moors / egypt / turks / persia (but can be built in andalusia) , though having timber will raise it's benifit considerablly. i did thought about river, but I decided to change the restriction to that most faction can only build the mill after the first windmill event. (that doesn't exactly take much of of a wait)

**Medkirtys** · December 18, 2010, 07:45 AM

This looks interesting

**Gorrrrrn** · December 18, 2010, 01:53 PM

this is the list of settlements I suggested for silk road stop (3rd tier in caravan buildings - for towns and castles)

Mashhad
Yazd
Isfahan
Tabriz
Diyarbakir
Ceasarea
Adana
Rayy
Trebizond
Antioch
Baghdad
Urgench
Damascus
Tbilisi
Baku
Yerevan
Damghan
Kermanshah

from the maps I consulted, the "silk road" was more a network of routes that changed over time depending on the military / political / religious fortunes of the towns it went through.

I don't know if gracul is incorporating this (or something like it) into the next version of SS.

**SoCCo** · December 18, 2010, 09:15 PM

any plans for furs? novgorod and the skandinavian lands are still some of the richest regions in furs, only beaten by north america. back in those days, novogorod's great wealth came mainly from fur trade. i can help you with the geography part, just send me a private message with your skipe/yahoo/msn ID and we'll talk there.

**RollingWave** · December 19, 2010, 12:38 AM

For now, my plan for fur and amber is pretty simple, a economic building that requires fur or amber resource in that region. and since those two resource are generally in Rus / Norse / Baltic / Cuman lands it'll generally benifit them. (in fact i think most of the regions in Novogod / Norse region have at least one of those resource if not both)

**Gorrrrrn** · December 19, 2010, 07:25 AM

Important point to remember about resources - if you place the same resource in two adjacent regions it cuts the amount of money they each get -
as they both have the same resource there's little to trade -
especially important in edge and corner regions with limited trade opportunities.

so it's better to distribute resources and have more variety in a particular zone so as many regions can trade with each other as possible to maximum effect.