Obudshaer worse than Huscarls?

**invicta** · December 15, 2010, 11:27 AM

Playing with the Danes, it seems that their elite infantry has worse spec than Huscarl which should be weaker considering you can recruit them at castle level.
Which of these 2 unit do you consider be stronger in autoresolved battles ?

**Surgeon** · December 15, 2010, 12:18 PM

In autoresolve it's definitely the Dismounted Huscarls, unless you're playing Kingdoms in which case Obudshaer have a slightly higher attack.

**invicta** · December 15, 2010, 01:47 PM

dismonted huscarls are stronger than norse axemen ?

Huscarls have 11 att and 15 def
Norse axemen 17 att and 11 def

Yes it's for MTWII HS, not kingdoms.

**Leaf-Fan-Forever** · December 15, 2010, 03:12 PM

A lot of factions "elite" units are actually weaker then other ones. For example: Venice can recruit Feudal Knights at fortress, and then Men at Arms at Citidal.I personally think Knights are stronger. Also 2 handers are bugged in vanilla, so I would take dismounted huscarls all the way.

**lgoodin101** · December 03, 2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Leaf-Fan-Forever

A lot of factions "elite" units are actually weaker then other ones. For example: Venice can recruit Feudal Knights at fortress, and then Men at Arms at Citidal.I personally think Knights are stronger. Also 2 handers are bugged in vanilla, so I would take dismounted huscarls all the way.

what do you mean by bugged? is it that their attack animation is weird?

**PrestigeX** · December 15, 2010, 03:49 PM

whenver I play as Denmark, the main infantry units to recruit are Viking raiders, Norse Swordsmen, and Foot Huscarls. Even in mods and other versions where 2 handed units have been fixed or made better, its also the cost involved = those elite units are very expensive and if you want good armies, you gotta 'standardize' so retraining is easy - one on one elite/expensive units are better but in actual battles they kill and are killed in the same numbers as less expensive troops.

Norse Swordsmen are probably their best over all unit because it's really really really cheap for what you get, and their recruit pool is higher. Dismounted Huscarls are technically better, but expensive and a slower recruit pool.

And don't under estimate Scouts cavalry either...

**Double A** · December 15, 2010, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Leaf-Fan-Forever

A lot of factions "elite" units are actually weaker then other ones. For example: Venice can recruit Feudal Knights at fortress, and then Men at Arms at Citidal.I personally think Knights are stronger. Also 2 handers are bugged in vanilla, so I would take dismounted huscarls all the way.

The thing about Men at Arms is that they can be upgraded to Advanced Plate. If you're more worried about defense than offense, and have an Armor Factory sitting around, they are actually better. And slightly cheaper when you buy them. I think I've been in a situation where if DFK costed about 80 less I could have gotten another unit before a siege.

**The Source** · December 15, 2010, 05:23 PM

do the danes have those norse war clerics in vannila likie they did in kingdoms

**Silverheart** · December 15, 2010, 05:34 PM

Yes, the Danes have War Clerics in the original game too. You recruit them from Abbeys.
Haven´t played Kingdoms for a while now, but if I remember right, you recruit them from Cathedrals there, right?

**The Source** · December 15, 2010, 05:50 PM

just spam war clerics and huscrals with the armour upgrades of course

**~~Magoo RN~~** · December 17, 2010, 06:19 AM

Great info the danes are so cool to play

**John Churchill** · December 17, 2010, 05:20 PM

The Danes are my favorite in vanilla M2TW

**~~Théoric HämmerHörde~~** · February 10, 2011, 06:24 PM

personally i mod my obudshaer stats to be equivalent to other faction's halberdiers. they're a bit underpowered otherwise

**Mik528** · February 10, 2011, 06:50 PM

Obudshaer will lose 1v1 but their good for maintaining a front line against enemy heavy cavalry and infantry so your soldiers behind can attack once the front line is engaged. Also, I don't see the horrid in the Obudshaer, I've used them many times to shred apart Chivalric Knights Mounted and Dismounted. Best Halberdiers there are.

**Dr.Sandvich** · December 03, 2012, 11:50 AM

What about Sword Staff milita? Theyre decent Inf but are they better than Obutshaer? Also Gotland footmen are my favourite Medieval 2 unit-they good too?

**Aeratus** · December 03, 2012, 11:57 AM

In Vanilla, Obudshaer is weaker than dismounted huscarl, due to issues relating to two-handed weapons. In Kingdoms, Obudshaer are stronger.

**Vissewalde rex de Gerzika** · December 04, 2012, 12:27 AM

The animation is too slow, when they try to hit a 1 handed unit will hit them first and stop the animation of the 2 handed unit, kingdoms expansion fixes this i believe.