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    In the dark alleyways of Rome four groups of men moved towards a common point. Wherever they passed the local raptores recognised danger and drew back into the shadows. Reaching an inn the groups moved swiftly to the upper rooms, splitting up and sealing off the entrances, as wary of each other as of any outsiders. The tension of betrayal was thick in the air.

    Finaly, only four men remained in the room, three throwing back their hoods and embracing happily, obvious friendship and respect on every face, the fourth, and youngest, standing slightly uncertainly to one side. Seeing the hesitation the three friends fussed around the man, treating him with utmost respect and serving him the choicest food and drink. There were no servants at this meal, no-one could be trusted to hear this discussion.

    Move forward five years, on a given day at a given hour knives flashed in the dark, blood was spilled, poisons were administered and men died screaming in agony - and Tiberius Brutus, Flavius Julius and Cornelius Scipio ascended to the head of their respective families, while Marcus Maxentius, the young outsider, took control of the Senate forces.

    Tiberius smiled, now all the pieces were in position, the expansion of Rome to her true position as Mother City of the world could take place. And, who knows, mayhaps some of the other families would falter by the roadside, the Brutii would rule.

    270BC
    Tiberius acted immediately, forming a legion and placing it under the command of his son Amulius, he despatched it to take Appolonia, having first ensured the Senate had ordered the move. Crossing the Adriatic, and dodging a powerful Greek fleet, Amulius landed his Legion on Greek soil and immediately set about laying seige to Appolonia. The Greeks were caught completely by surprise and Amulius ' legion stormed into Applonia killing 1324 Greeks and capturing 1943 slaves for the loss of only 5 men. Hearing that a powerful Greek army was heading North, Amulius moved his legion out of Appolonia, leaving a skelaton gaurd to hold it, and moved to the high ground.

    268 BC
    Moving North Meniones of Lampsacus was confident, he had a huge army under his command which included at its centre 4 units of the lethal Spartans, supported by Phalanxes, 2 Levy Phalanxes, 2 Cretan archers and 4 Javelinmen, no barbarian Roman army could stand against that. His scouts having located the Romans Meniones advaced, standing against him were 4 Hastatii, 4 Principes, 2 Triarii, 4 Velites, 2 Equites and the General. Meniones' plan was simple, the Spartans would crush the Roman left flank while the phalanxes pinned the right, then the Spartans would roll up the Roman line and victory would be his. The Greeks attacked.

    Amulius immediately arranged his Hastati in shieldwalls (yes, 2 ranks deep LT, lol) and spread his velites behind that. As the greeks approached he moved his equites to his left flank, seeing the move Meniones countered by ordering two units of phalanxmen to support the Spartan's flank. The advance continued but now the Greek army was dangerously concentrated on its right. Amulius switched his cavalry back to his right flank and charged the now unprotected archers, a massacre ensued as all the archers were ridden down. Pilums and javelins rained down on the greek phalanxes as they approached, 4 of them routing before they even reached the Roman line, to be destroyed to a man by the waiting cavalry.

    However, the concentration on the phalanxes ment that the Spartans reached the shieldwall reletively unscathed. The shock of impact echoed round the battlefield but the shieldwall held, and held, and held, and held ( ). The Spartans could not break through and the Principes were moving around to their rear. In desparation Meniones charged, only to be wiped out by three units of velites before he even reached the Roman lines. The Greeks panicked, the javelinmen and remaining phalanxes broke and ran, straight towards the waiting cavalry, another massacre ensued, the cavalry aided this time by Velites.

    Back at the front lines the Hatatii shieldwalls were still holding ( :sweatingb ) and the Principes were now in place behind the Spartans. Half the Spartans fell in the next two minutes as volley after volley of pilums plunged into their ranks. Then the Principes charged, the Spartans turned to face them and were immediately charged from behind by the Triarii. As the slaughter continued Amulius lead his bodygaurds in charge after charge into the Spartan ranks. Finaly the Spartans lay dead, the battle was won.

    2,116 Greeks lay dead, only 15 had escaped the field. 275 Roman heroes had died.

    267BC
    Amulius immediately lead his legion North and laid seige to Dyrrhachium. In desparation the Greeks threw 3 small armies forward in support of the town but to no avail. Roman engineering triumphed and 1364 Greeks fell for the loss of 37 Romans, 2448 slaves were taken.

    In Rome though Amulius had lost control of the Senate, in quick succession they ordered the blockade of Corinth, which was achieved only by dodging large Greek and Macedonian war fleets, and the capture of Antigonea. Ignoring this order for the present, Amulius moved North to face the two greek armies his spies had detected and to capture Salona.
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    poor spartans

    did they fight bravely?
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    they did, and died very honourably (I reckon about 250ish of my 275 casualties was down to them). Their problem was they were left isolated by the rest of the Greek army running away so I could surround them and cut them to pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacticalwithdrawal
    they did, and died very honourably (I reckon about 250ish of my 275 casualties was down to them). Their problem was they were left isolated by the rest of the Greek army running away so I could surround them and cut them to pieces.
    they werent retreating...they were advancing in another direction (ur sig)

    but im glad that the spartans did not run....that makes me proud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maron
    they werent retreating...they were advancing in another direction (ur sig)

    but im glad that the spartans did not run....that makes me proud

    Those Spartans are brave by some act god or whatever they no longer to run away like they did last year. If you ask me that’s more stupid then brave, ok hold the line until the rest of your army has withdrawn but don't stay for the slaughter.

    Anyway Tactical withdrawal in your next battle if you want to kill those damm Spartans of sooner I suggest rather then moving your third line behind them move your archers or slingers in behind them but make sure he doesn’t have any cavalry left!

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    Huzzah for The Mighty Brutti!

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    yeah, problem is, once I've taken Salona and ('cos the senate has ordered it) Antigonea, there's nowhere else to take without breaking house rules and taking Greek main cities.

    Think I might head north and take out some gallic towns, make the Adriatic my own personal pond
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    Yeah, that's probably not a bad idea.

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    will do, but don't yet have any archers or slingers!
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    Yeah, you recieve "Roman Archers" way to late in the game to be of much use IMO.

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    267 BC - cont.
    Meanwhile a small Greek force had moved into the farmlands around Appolonia, burning and pillaging those locals who had not obeyed the order to follow a scorched earth policy. Cassius Brutus lead his small garrison out of the town and confronted the two phalanxes, which promptly fled. Crowing with distain the Velites poured after the fleeing Greeks, but only managed to catch and kill one small group of 11. Snarling with frustration Cassius returned back to Appolonia and sent urgent requests to Tiberius for cavalry.

    Amulius' scouts had located the army of Eumenes of Sparta, although slightly concerned that it was predominantly formed of archers and skirmishers, Amulius closed quickly and gave battle. The initial stage of the battle was over quickly, the Greek phalanxes (including yet more Spartans) advanced on the Roman centre supported by their massed skirmishers and archers.

    Amulius immediately ordered his cavalry, supported by 2 Hastati and 2 Principes, to attack the Greek light infantry who retreated. A long drawn out series of feints, charges, retreats and counter-charges took place; the Greek skirmishers desperate to stay out of range of the Roman heavy infantry, the Roman heavy infantry desperate to close with them and trap them between themselves and the Equites. Meanwhile, the Greek heavy infantry and their general, now without light infantry support, was cut to pieces by the pilums and javelins, all 4 phalanxes and the general breaking (and being chased down and killed by the Velites) before they reached the Roman lines. Again, however, the Spartan hoplites reached the Hastati shieldwall, and again it held. This time however the Spartans were facing overwhelming odds and were quickly cut down. The main body of the army now turned to support the equites and the massacre of the Greek light infantry began 1525 Greeks fell for the loss of 238 Romans.

    266 BC
    Back in Italy things had taken a turn for the worse, two Rebel forces were now roaming the countryside causing havoc in the farmlands. Vibius Brutus led his army out and destroyed the southern rebel force although his lack of missile troops cost him dear and while 953 Rebels were killed, 358 Roman fell.

    In the north the rebel scum had besieged Bovanium, in a fury Quintus Pavius lead his brother and 4 units of Town Watch out to confront them. Pinning the rebels with shieldwalls the two generals charged into their rear, 481 rebels fell for the loss of 71 Romans, Quintus was awarded a Laurel wreath for the victory.

    In Greece Cassius Brutus again lead his garrison out against raiding Greeks, this time the Greeks stood their ground and Cassius too discovered his lack of decent missile troops. The Greeks were routed and 240 killed, but the Roman losses where a huge 108 men. Chastened Cassius returned to Appolonia and requested slingers as well as cavalry.

    Further North, Amulius had laid siege to Salona, in an attempt to stop him Epicurus of Mylae marched south and attacked the Roman army with the Salona garrison under Captain Epidemus coming out to support. Much to Amulius' amazement, Epicurus waited for the Salona garrison to join his forces before launching his phalanxes against the Roman line (note - I think this is the first time I have ever seen the AI join its two armies together before attacking ). This time, however, the Greeks did not charge straight in, Epicurus pinned the Roman right flank with his light infantry, supporting it with 3 units of barbarian cavalry to protect it from the equites. Meanwhile 3 phalanxes and the general himself threatened the centre of the roman line, while the remainder of his army moved swiftly to move round the Roman left flank.

    Unable to move his Hastati, Amulius quickly deployed his Principes to protect the left flank, while ordering his Triarii and equites to drive off the skirmishers on the right flank. Seeing these movements Epicurus ordered his centre to attack. The battle now broke into three parts, on the Roman's right the barbarian cavalry had counter-charged the equites, but had been caught by the Triarii and a unit of Hastati. Brought to a standstill by the infantry they were then charged from the rear by the equites. A furious melee ensued but there was only ever going to be one loser and the remains of the barbarian cavalry broke and fled. Freed up the equites set off to pursue the skirmishers, and the Triarii charged the rear of the Greek centre, killing the general and routing the phalanxes.

    On the Roman left flank though things were a little bit more desparate. The Greeks had managed to flank the shieldwall while simultaneously pinning it from the front. The Principes charged to relieve the hastati and were caught up in another furious melee. Outnumbered things were going badly for the Romans but Amulius lead 3 units of Velites around the fighting mass and charged into the rear of the Greeks with them in support. The Greeks, however, held and Amulius was forced to withdraw and charge again three times before the Greeks finally broke. Salona had fallen, 3661 Greeks were killed and 1883 slaves taken for the loss of 319 Romans. Amulius was presented with a laurel wreath for the victory and a monument was erected on the battle site (and I went for a lie-down in a dark room ).

    In the dying weeks of the year, Amulius embarked his men onto the fleet and moved them South to Appolonia, where more Greek raiding parties were threatening the town. His quick move trapped a small unit against the sea and 201 Greeks were killed for the loss of 26 men. Cassius Brutus also sallied forth from Appolonia and destroyed a small force, killing 483 Greeks for the loss of 35 men.

    Amulius has completed his first orders, the Northern Adriatic is free of Greeks. Appolonia, Dyrrhachium and Salona have fallen, 12,359 Greeks and rebels lie dead and 4,391 have been lead into slavery. But the cost has been high, 1,472 Romans are dead with 1 Roman only being worth 8.4 enemies. A review of the army tactics is underway and slingers are urgently being recruited!
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    I can relate to all of that, having no damm cavalry means if your men get pinned down by heavy infantry and those Certian archers will have a field day. It sounds like in that last battle you could have easily lost it.

    In my Brutii Campaign I have to say things have improved a lot. Italy is secure and my Italian cities are developing nicely. South of Greece and Athens are under my control. The only hot spot is North east were my most northern province has boarders to the Gaul’s, Germans and the Dacians.

    Also the most embarrassing thing happened to me today, I took some men out a town to reinforce a boarder and left it unoccupied......even the RTW A.I wasn't stupid enough to pass that freebie up! Mind you I kick those Germans out like turns latter I would if you owed me rent! Boy I'm nasty to people and it was Christmas day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie
    I can relate to all of that, having no damm cavalry means if your men get pinned down by heavy infantry and those Certian archers will have a field day. It sounds like in that last battle you could have easily lost it.
    It got very interesting for a while , lots of swearing as I tried to keep some idea of what the flip was going on. Didn't help that I'd forgot to put gaurd on one of my hastati units and only noticed when I realised one of the AI phalanxes was trying to attack my archers. Seriously good fun though

    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie
    Also the most embarrassing thing happened to me today, I took some men out a town to reinforce a boarder and left it unoccupied......even the RTW A.I wasn't stupid enough to pass that freebie up!
    I've never managed that, but I have had a general killed when I forgot to move him and left him stranded by himself. He got jumped by a full stack of Gauls.
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    Tactical, might I make a suggestion, you should post these stories in the Thema Divia, I know some people there who would love to read this.

    For you campaign, what I tried to do one time, is conquer all of the Mediterenean(sp).

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    Since he is playing SPQR he should keep his stories in the SQPR forums. It would be all right if he was playing vanilla and people would be interested in reading them because Tactical Withdrawal is a bloody good writer!

    I invested a few hours into my Brutii campaign last night but since I do not want to take any more provinces (I already own 10) until the reforms the campaigning at this point is a bit underwhelming as all I’m doing is building my cities and chasing our rebels. Even then the only action is on the east coast of the Adriatic were the Gaul’s are getting a bit ambitious, and the occasional Macedon Phalanx army who invade my lands. It is quite hard to ones self motivated fighting a defensive battle all the time. To cap it all off, the reforms may not take place for another 25-50 years!

    I guess in the mean time it gives me a chance to work some, hair brain, studiedly audacious scheme to crush the rest of Macedonia. One I idea I want to try out is to build enough armies and take all of their remaining 8/9 cities in one turn! LOL I would love to pull that off.

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    I've compromised, I've put up a thread (mainly as a shameless SPQR plug in the general forum http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...723#post743723 but I'm gonna keep this thread going and then bundle posts together into the other one. (not that I want my 2 seconds of fame or anything....... )

    Even then the only action is on the east coast of the Adriatic were the Gaul’s are getting a bit ambitious, and the occasional Macedon Phalanx army who invade my lands.
    I've noticed that the AI doesn't seem to be nearly as agressive in 5.

    One I idea I want to try out is to build enough armies and take all of their remaining 8/9 cities in one turn! LOL I would love to pull that off.
    now that would be worth seing, go for it :wink:
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    264 BC
    With the Northern Adriatic free, the Brutii gaze turned to the South and East. Greek forces were continuing to come North from Thermon and East from Antigonia, and the Senate did want Antigonia taken. The worry was that this would put Brutii troops in direct contact with the Macedonians but, reasoning that they would attack anyway, Tiberius decided to strike first. He immediately ordered a new legion raised, and for his secret service, the Talos, to send out spies deep into enemy land. While these preparations were being made he concentrated on ordering his new possessions.

    Doros of Sparta marched North from Thermon to threaten Appolonia. Amulius responded immediately by marching south to face him, on the way surprising a small unit of Greek hoplites and massacring them with his light infantry and cavalry (485 Greeks dead for no Roman losses, a Laurel Wreath was presented and a monument raised in triumph). Amulius engaged with Doros who immediately withdrew, leaving his skirmishers to cover him. Enraged by this Amulius lead his cavalry and over-ran the skirmishers, slaughtering all 240 of them for only 1 loss. Doros retreated to Thermon, which Amulius immediately seiged.

    Meanwhile a brilliant new commander had come of age in the Greeks, hailed as the new Alexander (17 years old and a 7 star general ) Antigonos of Sparta marched north with a strong army (including 2 more Spartan units) and attacked Amulius. Heavily outnumbered Amulius retreated to a defensive position and awaited the Greek advance. Again the Greek armies joined before attacking (this is becoming a really bad habit ) sending their main phalanxes against the Roman centre, while flanking the Roman left with the Spartans. Amulius ordered his cavalry round the back of the right flank, charging into and driving off two units of Cretan archers that had started to cause serious damage. The cavalry then turned and smashed into the back of the Greek phalanxes, causing the entire Greek left wing to route. Letting the troops run, the cavalry renewed their attack on the archers, riding them down and crushing them beneath their hooves.

    Meanwhile, the Roman right wing now turned inwards and flanked the Greek centre, driving into it and forcing its retreat. Doros charged the hastati but was cut to shreds and his death sparked the rout of the Greek centre, who were pursued by the velites and equites.

    Amulius then ordered forward his Principes. Going round the left flank they took up position behind the Spartan line and bombarded it with pilum volleys followed up with a charge. Even the great Spartans could not resist this and were cut down, again dieing to the last man rather than rout. In the final act of the battle the new Alexander, Antigonos himself charge the Roman slingers who were positioned out on the left flank. two thirds of his bodygaurd fell to the bullets before they made contact and the slingers refused to run, instead swarming forward, pulling the Greeks from their horses and stabbing them with their short knives. Greeks new hope was dead, Thermon had fallen and Amulius collected yet another laurel wreath. 3615 Greeks were dead, 2230 slaves taken and 460 Romans had laid down their lives for their city.

    263 - 262 BC
    The Brutii continued to build up their forces and send out their supplies. The new legion was now at half strength, awaiting the building of new barracks to enable training of Principes and Triarii.

    In addition, much to the delight of his family, Tiberius Brutus was honored with the position of Quaestor.

    261 BC
    Catching the Greeks by surprise Amulius attacked Antigonia. Roman engineering prevailed and the town quickly fell, 1666 Greeks being killed and 2706 slaves being taken for the loss of only 113 men, yet another laurel wreath was duly presented.

    260 BC
    Worried by the buildup of Macedonian troops to the South Amulius swung his army out of Antigonia and marched on Larissa. Two Macedonian captains moved swiftly to block him but their over-confidence was their undoing. Their armies had only sword hoplites and armoured phalanxmen and were swiftly destroyed by the Roman light infantry and cavalry. 1459 Macedonians falling for the loss of only 9 Romans. Laurel wreaths were again presented and a monument to the triumph raised.

    Continuing his march Amulius attacked a combined Greek and Macedonian army. The battle was short and swift (amazingly so actually, one of those battles where everything turns out right ). Again ( ) the two enemy armies joined together but the Hastati shieldwalls advanced and pinned the phalanxes in place. The Macedonian sword hoplites then tried to come around the Roman left flank, but were in turn pinned in place by the Principes who had formed shieldwalls.

    With the line of fighting men now 9 shieldwall units long (which was kinda interesting as when I was watching one end I couldn't see what was going on at the other) Amulius sent his Triarii to support the extreme left, and lead his cavalry and light infantry around the right flank. As the cavalry charged into the back of the leftmost Greek phalanx, the Greek cavalry charged the light infantry. Half fell to the slingers who then withdrew before contact was made, the remainder were swamped by the Velites who swarmed over them, cutting them and their horses to ribbons. Roman troops would eat well tonight

    The battle then followed a very simple path with Amulius and his equites charging into the rear of the Greek formations, forcing them to rout. As they routed they were fired upon by the slingers, and any that got through that hail of missiles were run down and slaughtered by the Velites. A massacre ensued, 2000 Macedonians and 551 Greeks falling for the loss of 364 Romans. The only note of comfort for the Macedonians was that 3 units of sword hoplites managed to disengage from the Roman left flank and escape, their retreat being covered by two phalanx units who were wiped out.

    After that Larissa itself proved an easy nut to crack with 1015 Macedonians dieing for the loss of 29 Romans. The reception of the Roman conquerors by the citizens of Larissa was so joyous that Amulius declared that no slaves or loot was to be taken and the troops had to content themselves with looting and burning the Macedonian temple.

    258 BC
    On the back of these victories, and an upsurge in the senate and people's love for the Brutii, Tiberius was appointed to Aedile. Meanwhile Amulius marched south from Larissa and attacked a small Greek army (lead by the most totally useless AI general I have ever seen, no stars and a couple of bad traits ) that was sieging the fort outside Thermon. Again the Greeks had primarily brought heavy infantry and the army was crushed, although the one unit of Cretan archers caused havoc in the Roman lines during the advance to contact. 690 Greeks fell for the loss of 108 men.

    Just to the North the garrison commander of Antigonia lead his men out and ambushed a small unit of Greek infantry, killing all 243 of them for the loss of 41 men.

    As the final act of the year Amulius was attacked by a large Greek army. Taking up defensive positions on a slight rise Amulius watched in amazement as the Greek phalanxes and sword hoplites concentrated together and attacked the centre of the Roman line. Rushing forward his Principes to support the centre, Amulius ordered the unengaged hastati to engage the flanks of the Greek army. Meanwhile he lead his cavalry and light infantry around to the rear of the Greeks. Attacked from three sides by infantry, and from the fourth by slingers the Greeks took a terrible pounding. Their General charged the centre and actually broke through both the Hastati shieldwall and the supporting Principes. Unfortunately that left him facing two full units of fresh triarii, who basically ate him for breakfast.

    With the death of their general the Greek army broke and was relentlessly pursued by the Roman cavalry and light infantry. 3188 Greeks died for the loss of 56 Romans, another laurel wreath was presented.

    Amulius has completed his second orders and has secured the centre of Greece, Thermon, Antigonia and Larissa falling into Brutii hands. The introduction of slingers into the legions has made a huge difference and the kill ratio has jumped to 10.37 (from 8.4), with 27,524 Greeks, Macedonians and rebels dead and 9,327 lead into slavery for the loss of 2,653 Romans.

    Amulius' son Cassius has landed in Greece with the second legion, however Larissa is under siege from 3 Macedonian armies, with a fourth threatening Antigonia. The plan now is to try and hold the captured land with the two legions, and raise a third which will travel North to help the Julii against the Gauls.
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    I would think twice before sending the Julii help. In my game the Julii have conquered a large portion of Gaul (with pre Marain units) and are doing quite nicely for themselves. If I was you, I would send that third legion to Sicily and try and destroy as many of those Carthaginian stacks as possible!

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    Related question - when I use shield wall there are gaps between units. What do you do, manually position them to close these gaps? I guess that would work on defense in guard mode. But won't the TAC AI spread 'em out again when advancing.

    Please give me some details as right now I am not sure how to use thid formation effectivly.

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    Barkhorn.

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    When setting up your troops in a shield wall, make sure there are no gap between them. Put your weakest troops in the centre and you best on the flanks to stop the weekest troops from running away, and as you all know but I will remind you make sure garud mode in on! If one unit feints a retreat and your men go after them you will leave gaps in your shield for your enemies to exploit.

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