An Idea for you Genii!

[CplTony]

Imnot sure if this is integrated into EB as ive been playin as Casse but i was watching Rome on the BBC, it was co-procduced by HBO so it may have appeared in america too. It is based on the rise of Julius Caesar and the fall of the Republic. Anyway in this episode Caeser creates 100 new senators from the loyalest and longest serving Gaelic, Germanic etc tribes to the north.
I have no idea if this was actually done. but if it were would it be possible to impliment it

If this were possible to script may i suggest:
Either if you are the Gaelic faction (the name escapes me as im am writing this quickly) and are allied with rome for some time then you recieve the Senatorii trait or something along those lines, maybe a roman ancilliary etc would could then have access to roman amenities if they are better than those of the gaul (as i said i havent played as rome or the 'gauls' yet, just casse)

Or

If you are Roman and control a gaelic province, you could adopt a son who has the senatorii trait but still has the gaeliic image and most of their traits

Just a thought, but if it did happen it would be a kinda cool thing to impliment.
Anyway ill leave it open to you great gentlemen and women (just incase - gotta be pc these days!)

Keep up the brilliant work

Tony

[Teleklos Archelaou]

one thing that really stinks is that you can't tie portraits or names to traits (or portaits and names to each other either). but indeed a gallic ethnicity (if one could get around the problems with images and names) would not be hard to tie to other types of traits. Maybe malrubius can work with some folks willing to help with descriptions and trait effect suggestions. Dunno if this has been done for the romani yet.

[Malrubius]

We don't have ethnicities for Romans (I think it would be nice to have a few foreign ethnicities tied to the acquisition of certain provinces, as well as things like Samnite or Etruscan). We do have the two classes and the two political 'parties', as well as the ability to have someone become a Novus Homo.

[CplTony]

Forgive my simpleness but i am not very knowledgeable in Rome TW (often i call something you me have a correct word for 'the _____thingy'!
So i am guessing the image could not appear but could you produce an event for a specific date when the Faction leader for the romanii gets an ancilliary called 'Gaelic Senator' - this man has unified the savage and the cultured (increases public order in settlements x, y, z etc) or a new trait and maybe a title (Jullius the Unifier) or something like that

Tony

[Malrubius]

Yes, that would be possible.

[CplTony]

Ive checked on the 'net for confirmation of this idea of gaelic senators but i cannot find any. Can anyone else back up this face, maybe its in a book one of you own?
tony

[Simetrical]

No Gaul was a senator in Caesar's time. Far from it. Only citizens could ever be senators (the Latin plural is senatores, not senatorii, incidentally), and generally only the most prestigious and prominent achieved that rank. Throughout the Republic, full citizenship was restricted almost entirely to residents of the city of Rome (or rather descendants of people who theoretically lived in Rome or one of a very few surrounding towns circa 500 BCE). It's marginally possible that a Gaul was enslaved, was freed into citizenship, and became important enough to attain senatorial rank at some point during the Republic, though, I suppose.

During the Empire, of course, there was no more vote, and so citizenship meant less, as did senatorship. Citizenship was extended to all free inhabitants of the Italian peninsula sometime in the first century CE, if I remember correctly, and to all free citizens of the Empire sometime in the fourth. By the late Empire, parts of Gaul were sufficiently Romanized that I would be surprised if there weren't a modest number of Gallic senators.

However, in general, a principal concept underlying this idea is great: give generals (and agents) ethnicity traits of conquered lands from time to time.

[Mangalore]

http://heraklia.fws1.com/conspiracy/index.html

At some point Caesar "refilled" the Senate to replace all the Senators that had died fighting him and extended the number of Senators. The above link indicates that even some barbarians were appointed by him to be Senators but it appears he definitely added people from his own staff to the Senate.

[CplTony]

At some point Caesar "refilled" the Senate to replace all the Senators that had died fighting him and extended the number of Senators. The above link indicates that even some barbarians were appointed by him to be Senators but it appears he definitely added people from his own staff to the Senate.

The idea seemed so radical to me that it would outrage most historians when it was aired that there must have been some truth in it.

Also you talk about the romanii getting traits and ancilliaries but would it be possible for gaelic factions to be given the senator trait?

PS thnx for the heads up on my faulty spelling Simetrical, i gave up latin 3 years ago but checkin my old books on verb conjugations ( )and realised how poor i was!

[Simetrical]

http://heraklia.fws1.com/conspiracy/index.html

At some point Caesar "refilled" the Senate to replace all the Senators that had died fighting him and extended the number of Senators. The above link indicates that even some barbarians were appointed by him to be Senators but it appears he definitely added people from his own staff to the Senate.

That describes it as "barbarians (supposedly in hairy breeches, although more likely provincial Roman citizens)". It was simply illegal for a noncitizen to be a senator. However, I got my dates and places muddled; the Lex Julia de Civitate of 90 BCE already gave all Italians and some Gauls full citizenship, so it was perfectly possible that a number of Gauls were in the Senate of Caesar's time.

[Malrubius]

However, in general, a principal concept underlying this idea is great: give generals (and agents) ethnicity traits of conquered lands from time to time.

We do have a few ethnicities tied into the acquisition of certain provinces (for Pahlava, I think). I'll see what the Roman guys think of the idea for their faction.

[Zenith Darksea]

Actually, Caesar did restock the Senate with senators (a very large number of them having died in the Civil Wars), and many senators were from Gaul and Italy. However, that episode of Rome is highly inaccurate in its depictions of the new senators. Because some were from Gaul, many contemporary Romans joked about new senators wearing trousers and having long hair, but these statements were only jokes. The senators in question were at least second or third generation Roman citizens, so they would have essentially looked just like any other Roman senator. Sadly, the makers of Rome didn't check this out properly, and assumed that the jokes were statements of fact. It would be inaccurate to allow the Roman faction to draw senators from other factions, because Roman senators were always Roman citizens. Indeed, the area of Gaul in question (from which Caesar drew the new senators) had been under Roman dominion for some time already.

[CplTony]

However, that episode of Rome is highly inaccurate in its depictions of the new senators.

Ah well but at least you saw it! Disregarding the innacuracies..... did you enjoy the gladiator fight?
For those of you that didnt see it, a soldier in the 13th legion decapitated a gladiator with the bottom of a shield!!

Sorry, it had to be said

Anyhoo, I look foreward to seeing the complete version of EB in my local retailer

[Zenith Darksea]

Yes, I did enjoy it quite a bit. It was a lot better than their depiction of the battle of Pharsalus! I'm not sure that a shield could cut through a man's throat that cleanly though. Even so, someone did it in the film Gladiator too.

[CplTony]

and poor old caesers death, felt sorry for the bloke, mind you next season we see octavius and mark anthony lead their two armies! Sweet!