American war crimes in Iraq

[Haas]

Graphic youtube video!

[removeduser_4536284751384]

it's war and happens.

I haven't watched that video but as it's on youtube it's gonna be ultra tame.

a lot worse stuff has happened.

[Haas]

it's war and happens.

I haven't watched that video but as it's on youtube it's gonna be ultra tame.

a lot worse stuff has happened.

You aren't American are you?

Yes happens in war but the attitude of these soldiers needs to be dealt with.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

You aren't American are you?

Yes happens in war but the attitude of these soldiers needs to be dealt with.

no I'm Irish and despite what I might think of the USA's presence in Afghanistan and earlier in Iraq, I have to acknowledge that errible things happen in war. The relevant authorities try to deal with them.

[skag]

it's war and happens.

statement, war is horrible, it's not a reason for war crimes relativisation !

[removeduser_4536284751384]

statement, war is horrible, it's not a reason for war crimes relativisation !

you seem to be confusing an explanation with a justification.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

it's war and happens.

You don't seem to think that when it comes to, say, Israel.

[Col. Tartleton]

You don't seem to think that when it comes to, say, Israel.

But they're not Americans. We're not barbarians, we're patriots. If it makes us hypocrites so be it.

[Vanoi]

Video was pretty horrible, i hope this was a kind of isolated incident and this thing didn't happen regularly. I know war is hell, and civilians die, but from this video, some civilian deaths could have been avoided if the pilot in the Apache wasn't so damn trigger happy.

[Corvis]

but from this video, some civilian deaths could have been avoided if the pilot in the Apache wasn't so damn trigger happy.

Maybe we should expect all our military personnel to say a hail mary before engaging any targets, that way they aren't accused of being callous, trigger-happy murderers and they might have a chance to see that the target might be carrying a camera tripod. You never know!

[Gordon Freynman]

This topic as already been beaten, shot, and exploded to death in the Mudpit.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=347627

The reporters made the mistake of hanging around with non-uniformed people with guns in the area of a firefight. It's unfortunate, but that's war.

[Col. Tartleton]

This is akin to dashing across a shooting range and blaming the marksmen for not seeing you.

It's Iraq. Don't put yourself between a marine and his enemy. He'll kill you both because by God he isn't going to die because of you. There are no laws in war. There are human morals and right and wrong. War is already well into "Greater Good" philosophy. Killing civilians doesn't change anything. It's people killing people. Its not about good or evil. Its about life and death.

[Haas]

This topic as already been beaten, shot, and exploded to death in the Mudpit.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=347627

The reporters made the mistake of hanging around with non-uniformed people with guns in the area of a firefight. It's unfortunate, but that's war.

Sorry I don't have time to peruse every single nook and cranny of TWC. I have a full-time job, 2 kids and 2 girlfriends.

[skag]

ok
So, if it's an explanation, or a justification, same issue : you relativise, like you says "it's normal, it's war, happens"

conclusion : IMO, still statement

[Yosemite]

ok
So, if it's an explanation, or a justification, same issue : you relativise, like you says "it's normal, it's war, happens"

conclusion : IMO, still statement

talibans cut heads of us soldier

it's ok it's war happens

[Phier]

There is no such thing as a clean war. There'll always be innocents killed, ambushes, mistakes, and soldiers who step out of the normal rules of engagement for various reasons. This can obviously be difficult for some people to handle, and apparently Ethan McCord, was one who could not handle this. His desire to see mental health personnel, and that even speaking of wishing an IED would take him out, shows that he was mentally incapable to do his job. It's a shame to see a man driven past is breaking point, but a one-sided account of a broken man unable to take the pressure does not an indictment of the entire war make.

[Armatus]

There is no such thing as a clean war. There'll always be innocents killed, ambushes, mistakes, and soldiers who step out of the normal rules of engagement for various reasons. This can obviously be difficult for some people to handle, and apparently Ethan McCord, was one who could not handle this. His desire to see mental health personnel, and that even speaking of wishing an IED would take him out, shows that he was mentally incapable to do his job. It's a shame to see a man driven past is breaking point, but a one-sided account of a broken man unable to take the pressure does not an indictment of the entire war make.

I take it you agree with what occurred in the video? I'd much rather have more people like this man out there standing up for what's right.

There's angels out there like this man and then there are demons.

[Exarch]

what a contrast to the 60s, when college kids would join anti war protests and journos showed the war as it was, without censorship from the pentagon.

these days, u have college kids who are pro war and we have a rather censored version of the war from our corporate media

[LegionnaireX]

what a contrast to the 60s, when college kids would join anti war protests and journos showed the war as it was, without censorship from the pentagon.

these days, u have college kids who are pro war and we have a rather censored version of the war from our corporate media

If you had read the thread you would know this doesn't have anything to do with being pro or anti-war, but rather the value of "leaked" and edited video as a source of journalism.

Clearly the original video was edited to make the US military look incompetent and inhumane. The unedited video paints a different picture.

[Dubh the dark]

what a contrast to the 60s, when college kids would join anti war protests and journos showed the war as it was, without censorship from the pentagon.

these days, u have college kids who are pro war and we have a rather censored version of the war from our corporate media

One of the biggest reasons for the poor journalism from Iraq is due to the targeting of some journalists and the embedding of others.

Last month, (OCT 2010) IPI said more journalists had been killed in Iraq already this year than in all of 2009.

According to RSF, impunity is widespread: 99 percent of the 230 murders of journalists in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 have gone unpunished. It's no surprise then that Iraq ranks first on CPJ's 2010 Impunity Index, which lists countries where journalists are murdered on a recurring basis and governments are unable or unwilling to prosecute the killers.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO101...-september.htm