new sub-mod suggestion

**Meelis13** · December 10, 2010, 12:45 PM

I would propose to make sub-mod based on baltic map set in 1180-1250 (ending year is pretty random, so is starting year (also would be 1030). Early 13th century was 1 of most important and interesting period of baltic sea area, but this time period seems to be seriously underestimated by all modders. Suggsested faction list: Estonia, Livonia (these 2 MUST BE if this time period is chosen, btw, did you know, that estonians burned swedish 'capital' Sigtuna in 1187?), Lithuania, Finland, sword brothers order (later emerged with teutonic order and its official name was since emerging livonian order), sweden, Novgorod city state and denmark.
Now, before you say no, think seriously. most of these factions are very underestimated: Novgorod, as many of you know, was very powerful city-state in early 13th century, but yet it failed to conquer estonians, finnish, and many others. Forces were balanced in baltic region before crusaders came. in this time period there was many raids and battles (some of them were very large).
please reply, all modders.

**Smokey Bacon** · December 10, 2010, 01:07 PM

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=323155

That mod sounds right up your street.

**Meelis13** · December 10, 2010, 02:49 PM

yes it does, but doesnt it start a bit too late? theres no mods including this era and my must be factions (estonia and/or livonia), altough this era is the most interesting era in medieval baltic, but for some strange reason all mods start around 1250, when things have calmed down a little AND none of the mods have last 2 pagan nations in baltic, who surrendered to order knights (Livonia and Estonia).

**Tears of Destiny** · December 10, 2010, 03:49 PM

I say go with your heart.
I think there are people who would play a mod like this, so I would certainly be interested in seeing a close up zoomed in view of this time period and region. I suggest starting it as early as you can while maintaining good diversity and game play, that way it can shine rather well when compared to the mods that focus on the same region but in a much later time period.

**Meelis13** · December 10, 2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tears of Destiny

I say go with your heart.
I think there are people who would play a mod like this, so I would certainly be interested in seeing a close up zoomed in view of this time period and region. I suggest starting it as early as you can while maintaining good diversity and game play, that way it can shine rather well when compared to the mods that focus on the same region but in a much later time period.

ty for support, but only problem is.... i dont know how to mod, i only suggsested to do campaigns with some other factions beside sweden, lithuania and so on... its getting boring.
BUT if someone agrees to teach me and help me, than i even might do the mod, but before i have to get new PC (current one is near to its end of the life). Otherwise i hope some kind people to make this mod (only thing i can do on my current PC is to help out with history, i think thats all i can be good for (at least now)). i think best historical knowledge i can give is about historical battles and Estonian (maybe livonian as well) factions. So basically this is now recruiting topic (i seriously dunno how these things go).
theres need for all the catecories, including developing and actual mod leader, cuz i dont dare to turn on my PC so often, cuz every time may be its last. But when i do come online, i can give a bundle of historical knowledge.
so please help me at least how should i recruit ppl. any help is apreciated.
happy christmas time!