Unit Banners not showing

**Nefarious** · December 10, 2010, 08:17 AM

Greetings, all.

I've yet to see knightly order unit banners. I've seen a few in screenshots on this site (Hospitaller, Templar, Teutonic, Santiago), but never in my own games. The knightly orders should supposedly fly their banners instead of the faction's main cavalry standard, but I just haven't seen it; not even on crusade.

In the EDU an example is:

type Knights Hospitaller
dictionary Knights_Hospitaller ; Knights Hospitaller
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_cavalry
banner unit hospitaller
<snip>

banner unit hospitaller
seems to be replacing
banner holy crusade_cavalry

Is their a simple way to make them fly their unit banners? If it helps, I promise throw myself to the floor roughly (Monty Python style) when the solution is revealed.

**Gigantus** · December 10, 2010, 08:33 AM

banner holy = additional banner for a unit while on crusade\jihad
banner unit = additional banner for a designated unit
banner faction [category] = basic banner as per category and faction

At least that's how it is supposed to work. Just checked myself with a custom battle hre <--> portugal wiht teutonic knights and knights of santiago -nada, only faction banners.

Just checked in the descr_banners_new_help file:

Secondary banner: (can be only one per unit in the following order of preference)
- royal (if there is a king)
- unit specific
- holy (jihad, crusader)

**Nefarious** · December 10, 2010, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gigantus

banner holy = additional banner for a unit while on crusade\jihad
<snip>
-nada, only faction banners.

Just checked in the descr_banners_new_help file:

Secondary banner: (can be only one per unit in the following order of preference)
- royal (if there is a king)
- unit specific
- holy (jihad, crusader)

Interesting, and thanks for your insights.
It reads as though their unit-specific banner should fly...as a secondary.
In King's Banner, for example http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100746
unit flags are seen in the back rows of the initial screenshots. They seem to take the place of the cavalry banners.
And the line "banner unit hospitaller" and the others, are from vanilla, not the mod.
They should be flying their banners, yes?
Could this be an issue somewhere other than the EDU?

**Gigantus** · December 10, 2010, 09:21 AM

If memory serves right, then at least the royal banner entry in descr_banners_new works.

Can't remember if the holy banner line works

I checked in the EXE and the UnitSpecificBanner entry is there along wiht all the others. No idea what could be wrong.

**Nefarious** · December 10, 2010, 10:12 AM

Thanks for checking, Gigantus.
Oddly glad to know it's not just me, so I'll keep trying. These unique unit banners are like gnats buzzing near my ear. I may hurt myself a few times but, sooner or later, I'm going to get those little rascals.

**Gigantus** · December 10, 2010, 10:57 AM

I am going to download that king's banner mod and have a look. somewhere there must be a trigger for those unit banners (teutonic etc). Nice thing: if it works then one could start to assign unique banners to each unit.

Edit: all links are dead except the one that leads to burrek's mod - EDU only. What he has done, is to create more faction banners:
banner faction gendarme, banner faction YouNameIt.
No new unit banners

**Vegas_Bear** · April 04, 2011, 03:53 AM

In King's Banner 3, he made new entries under the Faction Banners section of descr_banners_new.xml. These were made specifically for certain units. All the four houses have their own unique entry. Here's a section from the banners.xml-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

And then you change the entry in the EDU under faction banner-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Hope this kinda helps, I used the banners from the Orders Mod - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ghlight=orders and made new entries in the descr_banners_new.xml. It worked pretty nice