I hate jeruselum

[Charles.]

why do they always rebel I have a fullstack army in there. I'm upgrading all the public order stuff as quick as I can, I'm assassinating Imams left right and centre, burning heretics and have my nicest prince bum licking them. But why do they still rebel? I've retaken it around 5 times in the past 25 turns.

[Double A]

Try sticking a high chivalry general there, with many, many priests of your own.

And if you think Jerusalem's bad, try Antioch.

[Tears of Destiny]

why do they always rebel I have a fullstack army in there. I'm upgrading all the public order stuff as quick as I can, I'm assassinating Imams left right and centre, burning heretics and have my nicest prince bum licking them. But why do they still rebel? I've retaken it around 5 times in the past 25 turns.

Click on Settlement details to see why your public order is so low.

Move a spy or two there to see if there are other enemy spies in the settlement. (Which decrease public order)

Move a lot of high piety priests to convert the religion (Conflicting faith decreases public order).

[painter]

With Jerusalem or other large cities where your religion is not dominant and far away from your capital, you should not just occupy the city. Sacking the settlement or exterminating the populace are your most expedient methods to pacify the population. Be aware that sacking or exterminating will cost your faction some reputation.

Fortunately, castles have much more solid public order, even in regions far away from your capital and not of your religion.

[Silverheart]

Use spies to check for enemy spies, convert the population to at least 95 %, upgrade churches and townhalls, recruit more troops, place a high-piety + high chivalry general as governor there.
Don´t forget to upgrade the farms as well (not the same priority as churches and townhalls, but still).
Lack of locally produced food can also cause noticeable unrest, in my experience.

[The Source]

let i rebel and then recapture it and sack it

[Double A]

With Jerusalem or other large cities where your religion is not dominant and far away from your capital, you should not just occupy the city. Sacking the settlement or exterminating the populace are your most expedient methods to pacify the population. Be aware that sacking or exterminating will cost your faction some reputation.

Fortunately, castles have much more solid public order, even in regions far away from your capital and not of your religion.

That's a myth. You can sack as many cities as you want and your rep will never be penalized.

However, I'm not saying it's a good idea, since I have come to the conclusion that when you sack, buildings get downgraded. Which is not fun.

[domainking]

yeh man sacking back the city make more money, more public order is restored.

[PotentSchraphlon]

Send in priests and assassins before your army, to get a headstart on converting the population.

[Diglytron]

i got the same problem, i always exturminate it, its bad for your reputation but it will reduce the unrest.
and before i go to capture a country with other believes i send like 8 priest, 4 assasins, and 4 spies to it who can see all the things i have to watch.
A high cardinal in Jerusalem will help to, trie to get islamitic factions friendly.

+rep is always back

[zcylen]

why do they always rebel I have a fullstack army in there. I'm upgrading all the public order stuff as quick as I can, I'm assassinating Imams left right and centre, burning heretics and have my nicest prince bum licking them. But why do they still rebel? I've retaken it around 5 times in the past 25 turns.

that question has been repited since the roman times.
those guys love to rebel, it's their nature

[Saint Nicholas]

Basically what everyone else has said. Ensure you have lots of priests to help convert the local population to Christianity, (I assume you are a Christian faction.) Watch for enemy spies in your settlement, they can cause some pretty nasty public order issues. Place spies of your own to help protect against them. Install a high chivalry governor with good +law and order traits, alternatively a high dread general will work as well, the people will be scared. Though I assume you went on a Crusade to get to Jerusalem so your general would have received chivalry bonuses and ancillaries, so stick with that. Ensure the tax rate is set to low. Tax is one of if not the biggest negative effect on public order and settlement growth, keep it at a minimum to make the people happy. Make sure you build all the law and order buildings asap, town hall, barracks, churches are also important, upgrade them when you can. Another option is to also make Jerusalem your capital city, at least temporarily. Doing so is going to have a massive positive effect on public order and will help sway the people even more. Your cities back home shouldn't suffer too much as they've been yours from the beginning of the game etc. Hope you succeed in holding the holy city, don't let the infidels take it back!

[Shasqua]

If the city has a race track left over by a Muslim faction, hold a bunch of races. This will cost you, though.

[Double A]

i got the same problem, i always exturminate it, its bad for your reputation but it will reduce the unrest.
and before i go to capture a country with other believes i send like 8 priest, 4 assasins, and 4 spies to it who can see all the things i have to watch.
A high cardinal in Jerusalem will help to, trie to get islamitic factions friendly.

+rep is always back

Never, EVER exterminate. It's like nuking your city's economy. It pushes back growth dozens of turns. Even if the population would be red, occupy or sack it. Sacking only kills a few turns of growth, and gives usually enough public order so you can get it to a decent permanent order level. While it's nice to see green, yellow or even blue is acceptable. I think by sacking you get extra florins but could downgrade buildings, but that's better than killing a fourth of your populace.

If the city has a race track left over by a Muslim faction, hold a bunch of races. This will cost you, though.

Only Muslim nations can set the frequency of races. However, the building itself still gives a public order boost.

[Shasqua]

Only Muslim nations can set the frequency of races. However, the building itself still gives a public order boost.

I recall being able to set the frequency. It's a function of the building, so its effects should be the same for all factions (except, of course, unit recruitment).

[Double A]

Well I don't

It might just be that way in SS, though. I haven't played Vanilla in years.

[painter]

I second Double A's recommendation to not to exterminate on economic reasons.

Also, don't ever simply move your capital city around without checking the consequences.

Playing as England, turn 49, the corruption cost England would suffer is 38,000 florins if I made Jerusalem my capital. Contrast that with the lowest possible corruption cost of 9,000 florins if I kept Dijon as my capital.

I think by sacking you get extra florins but could downgrade buildings

I don't recall noticing this, but then again my preference is to occupy.

Only Muslim nations can set the frequency of races.

Playing as England, I have the option to set the frequency of the races at Cairo and Cordoba.

[Double A]

I second Double A's recommendation to not to exterminate on economic reasons.

Also, don't ever simply move your capital city around without checking the consequences.

Playing as England, turn 49, the corruption cost England would suffer is 38,000 florins if I made Jerusalem my capital. Contrast that with the lowest possible corruption cost of 9,000 florins if I kept Dijon as my capital.


I don't recall noticing this, but then again my preference is to occupy.


Playing as England, I have the option to set the frequency of the races at Cairo and Cordoba.

Alright, fair enough. I also haven't played any M2 since the summer since my computer refuses to play it.

And about capitals... well, the a is there for a reason. In SS, I moved my capital from Urgench to a more centralized location, and immediately my income went up about 8000 florins per turn. It's ridiculous. That's why Italy is such a good place for your capital in Rome, since you expand in every direction after a certain time. You just rake in the cash.

[Ishan]

That's a myth. You can sack as many cities as you want and your rep will never be penalized.

Wrong! Sacking causes a drop in Global reputation in vanilla, in mods i can't say how they have modified the descr_faction_standing.txt file so it could be they might have removed the sacking trigger from it.

I have come to the conclusion that when you sack, buildings get downgraded. Which is not fun.

Again wrong Occupying a settlement brings it under your rule peacefully, but the people might rebel against you. Sacking allows your troops to loot and pillage, which gives an order and cash bonus, but buildings are damaged and people are killed. Exterminating kills most of the population and reduces the level of the buildings, but brings the population under your control.

So sacking = cash bonus & no downgrading of buildings.
extermination = No cash bonus & downgrading of buildings.

@Painter
About the racing thing there are 2 buildings for that:-
Racing track & it's upgrade sultan's racing track that is only buildable by middle eastern factions. However if the settlement under a middle eastern faction gets conquered by any other faction they can still use it, they give happiness bonus to that settlement.

[Double A]

Wrong! Sacking causes a drop in Global reputation in vanilla, in mods i can't say how they have modified the descr_faction_standing.txt file so it could be they might have removed the sacking trigger from it.


Again wrong Occupying a settlement brings it under your rule peacefully, but the people might rebel against you. Sacking allows your troops to loot and pillage, which gives an order and cash bonus, but buildings are damaged and people are killed. Exterminating kills most of the population and reduces the level of the buildings, but brings the population under your control.

So sacking = cash bonus & no downgrading of buildings.
extermination = No cash bonus & downgrading of buildings.

@Painter
About the racing thing there are 2 buildings for that:-
Racing track & it's upgrade sultan's racing track that is only buildable by middle eastern factions. However if the settlement under a middle eastern faction gets conquered by any other faction they can still use it, they give happiness bonus to that settlement.

Ah, that's right. Once I took Constantinople in Crusades, I thought I hit sack but I must have hit exterminate, because the uberdock had been downgraded.