Praetorian supported by Triarii

[-Alexander The Great-]

Hello!
How can I beat (golden shield and silver sword) praetorian, supported by upgraded Triarii?
Thanks.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Online?
Catas + some better inf.
SP?
Whatever you like

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

if you're going seleucids, like Cocroach said, use catas supported with SS legionaries.

if you arent playing as seleucids and say Macedon and Carth (which will be a huge uphill battle for you) and can get a phalanx unit (heck, even militia hoplties or levy pikes) into the mix it can really help tilt the balance in your favour.

or another soln would be to overpower your opponent with missiles to force them to come to you. their cav would be have to leave the trarii behind if your opponent needs to attack and then you can isolate the praetorians and destroy them

[Genius of the Restoration]

Chariots also work wonders if you can use them. Keep them moving and brushing the enemy units and you should be right.

[Plant]

Guessing it is MP, because in SP you should win no matter what. I doesn't make sense for the AI to support itself.
With which faction?
If it is Rome vs Rome, don't blindly charge your cav into his cav when it is supported by anticav inf.
If he has triarii, then he has points not spent on something else, so attack with inf, or shoot with archers, or outmaneouver with cav.

[Entropy Judge]

I've been wondering if he means Praetorian Cavalry or Praetorian Cohorts ... I mean, it could be either one.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I've been wondering if he means Praetorian Cavalry or Praetorian Cohorts ... I mean, it could be either one.

*captain Obvious to the rescue*

[Entropy Judge]

You'd assume he was referring to Cavalry, yes, but it's *not* obvious. Sword infantry supported by Spear infantry are fairly well-protected from enemy cavalry, while I don't see much point behind supporting cavalry with spearmen (at least, not with only two unit types).

[Plant]

I assumed praetorian cav, because nobody uses praetorian cohorts when you can use urbans instead.

Plus it's easy to exploit sword infantry supported by spear infantry. Just do anything, but charge your cav into the spear. That's it really.
Actually you can charge cav into triarii and get away with it most of the time.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

trarii can stand up to most cav, except for cataphracts. still, unless I had no choice I'd rather not charge cataphracts against praetorian cav supported by triarii. shoot them to death instead, piew piew, because chances are if he's spent that much on triarii, his cav arm is going to be pretty weak and and would be able to go up against your cav with spearmen support.

[-Alexander The Great-]

What about Macedonians? MP

[Plant]

You've got cav disadvantage anyways then. He don't need to use triarii. Use your pikemen. Surround and charge. Wedge. Buy more cav. Use skill. Take advantage of the fact he used money to buy triarii instead of anything else. Compare army strengths.

[-Alexander The Great-]

OK LOOK AT THAT NOW!
(I command the Macedonians)

RED=MACEDONIANS
BLUE=CARTHAGE
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RP=ROYAL PIKEMEN
CC=COMPANION CAVALRY
SBC=SACRED BAND CAVALRY
PE=PEONI INFANTRY
SBI=SACRED BAND INFANTRY
MAR=MACEDONIAN ARCHERS
SL=SLINGERS
[G]+UNIT=GENERAL'S UNIT
-----------------------------------------
RP=GOLDEN SWORD AND SILVER SHIELD
CC=GOLDEN SWORD AND SHIELD
SBC=GOLDEN SWORD AND SHIELD
TR= BRONZE SWORD AND SILVER SHIELD
SBI=SILVER SWORD AND SILVER SHIELD
MAR=SILVER SWORD AND BRONZE SHIELD
SL=SILVER SWORD AND BRONZE SHIELD


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[G]SBC SL SL SL SL SL SL SBC
PE PE SBI SBI SBI SBI SBI SBI PE PE


RP RP RP RP RP RP
MAR MAR MAR MAR MAR MAR
CC CC [G]CC CC CC

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I AM ATTACKING WITH MY ROYAL PIKEMEN TO HIS SACRED BAND INFANTRY
I AM ATTACKING WITH MY ARCHERS HIS SLINGERS.
I AM KEEPING MY COMPANION CAVALRY WHERE IT IS.

HIS SLINGERS ARE ATTACKING MY ROYAL PIKEMEN.
HIS SACRED BAND INFANTRY ARE ATTACKING MY ROYAL PIKEMEN.
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I AM LOOSING THE INFANTRY FIGHT.
I AM WINNING THE MISSILE FIGHT.
I CAN'T ATTACK HIS CAVALRY BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTED BY HIS TRIARII.
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WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!

[Plant]

Well, obviously, if you are winning the archer war, don't engage with your infantry or cav. Again, You don't have to blindly charge because the enemy is there. Same principle applies for cav, as for infantry. Use your longer ranged archers to good effect. Get positional advantage with all your units i.e. flanking.

Triarii (I'm guessing by triarii, you mean Peoni Infantry.) They are terrible against pikemen. Waste of points. You basically got 4 extra cav, whilst he got 4 useless units. It looks like the opponent has 2 cavalry units. You should easily be able to destroy them with your own cavalry and them move away before the Peoni can engage them. Afterall in large unit sizes, infantry usually can't get to the cav combat since there are too many cav bodies in the way.

Also, those upgrades are no good if you want to win, though I suppose it doesn't matter if your opponent is the same. Take gold swords and gold shields for everything.

[Entropy Judge]

Ugh; learn the units, please. Carthage doesn't get Triarii (those are Roman), nor do they get Silver Shield units (those are Seleucid). I'm going to assume you're talking about Libyan Spearmen (Poeni are Phalanx units) and Sacred Band.

Now, Sacred Band are the best Phalanx units around - they're better statistically than Spartans, and have better Attack and Defense Stats than your Royal Pikemen. Of course you're going to lose the infantry fight - he matches you unit-to-unit and outclasses you.

Now, I'm no MP-tactician, but my suggestion would be to load all your cavalry on one flank. Use your Archers to engage single units of Slingers one at a time (your Archers outrange Slingers), then have them focus on the Spearmen on the cavalry side - at no point should you attempt to engage his infantry until you have cavalry support. Sacred Band Cavalry have slightly better Defense and Primary Weapon compared to the Companion Cavalry, but you outnumber his 2-to-1, with an extra, so you're in a much better spot.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

if you must fight SB hoplties, place your royal pikes in solid blocks like 6 ranks deep. it will make it harder for the SB to push into them and break up their formation and give your phalanx greater offensive power. and take off guard mode

[-Alexander The Great-]

Thanks and sorry for the units confusion guys!

if you must fight SB hoplties, place your royal pikes in solid blocks like 6 ranks deep. it will make it harder for the SB to push into them and break up their formation and give your phalanx greater offensive power. and take off guard mode

I always put them in 8 ranks deep.
Why should I take off the guard mode?

Now, Sacred Band are the best Phalanx units around - they're better statistically than Spartans, and have better Attack and Defense Stats than your Royal Pikemen. Of course you're going to lose the infantry fight - he matches you unit-to-unit and outclasses you.

Now, I'm no MP-tactician, but my suggestion would be to load all your cavalry on one flank. Use your Archers to engage single units of Slingers one at a time (your Archers outrange Slingers), then have them focus on the Spearmen on the cavalry side - at no point should you attempt to engage his infantry until you have cavalry support. Sacred Band Cavalry have slightly better Defense and Primary Weapon compared to the Companion Cavalry, but you outnumber his 2-to-1, with an extra, so you're in a much better spot.

His cavalry was protected by his peoni!
What could I do?

Triarii (I'm guessing by triarii, you mean Peoni Infantry.) They are terrible against pikemen. Waste of points. You basically got 4 extra cav, whilst he got 4 useless units. It looks like the opponent has 2 cavalry units. You should easily be able to destroy them with your own cavalry and them move away before the Peoni can engage them. Afterall in large unit sizes, infantry usually can't get to the cav combat since there are too many cav bodies in the way.

Also, those upgrades are no good if you want to win, though I suppose it doesn't matter if your opponent is the same. Take gold swords and gold shields for everything.

The peoni wan exactly in front of his cavalry, so i couldn't attack him!
Do you think I should take gold upgrades to all, even I had a really smaller number of units than my opponent's?

Thanks

[empr guy]

Thanks and sorry for the units confusion guys!

I always put them in 8 ranks deep.
Why should I take off the guard mode?

guard mode lets your men move forward and push enemy units, im not sure if thats exactly write but it makes your hoplites or pikemen Alot better. especially ones with shorter spears.

The peoni wan exactly in front of his cavalry, so i couldn't attack him!

you can always flank him, head on fights are usually not the best way to go about things.

do you think I should take gold upgrades to all, even I had a really smaller number of units than my opponent's?

generaly speaking quality is much more important then quality.

[Plant]

His cavalry was protected by his peoni!
What could I do?

The peoni wan exactly in front of his cavalry, so i couldn't attack him!
Do you think I should take gold upgrades to all, even I had a really smaller number of units than my opponent's?

How about reading the posts? Flank the cav. You are not the AI, you don't have to charge something just because it is nearest. Now the infantry are behind the opposing cav. Or use an inf unit to block the other inf. Or shoot the cav or inf.

[XxAndrewxX2525]

If you have missile superiority, but your worried about the enemies infantry units protecting his cavalry, then simply take out their missile units and then start picking on their cavalry. Avoid the main infantry fight until you have ran out of ammo or they decide to move their cav. When your missiles are out of ammo, try to take out all his cavalry with yours first, then engage him with your infantry and quickly get your cav in on their flanks. Then, sit back and watch the massacre.