The Hellenic States

[debux]

Ok, I finally got the mod to work (corrupt downloads till today), and I gotta say it's very nice. I've only played two turns with massila and it was a nice position, I never thought it could be so proimising. I got a CTD though that made me stop, but I think it might be because of the missing sprites I forgot to put.

@Lanjane, about the vanillish poeni units, my post was going more towards the first two poeni units you posted, I think the first version of the scutarii you posted look awesome and quite vanillish, although they'd leave their spanish counterparts in shame

I wouldn't mind a new unit pack +rep

EDIT: whoopie do, gotta do a whole new clean install: "Script error in THS/data/export_descr_unit, at line 6595, column 26" didn't find battle model for massalian swordsmen when I used them 5 minutes ago

[Lanjane]

Here it comes. A very small, but useful update if you play as Carthage



- Added Punic Sailors (available from port)
- Added Carthaginian Scutarii (available from city barracks)
- Added Iberian Spearmen (as requested) to Iberia
- Iberian Infantry replaced with Iberian Caetrati and moved to practice range buildings (and useless Skirmishers removed, as requested. However they still exist in game, but they can't be recruited, so savegame compatible)
- Libyan Infantry moved to Militia Barracks (to freed 'slot' remained from Iberian Infantry)
- Sprites, UI's, text descriptions are provided as usual. Many thanks to Achea for help with text descriptions.

Minipatch v0.01 - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...05#post8565405 - is required, as this is only an update to it.
Again, it's savegame compatible.

[ninjabanana]

Lookin' good. Downloading

EDIT: Downloaded, and checked things out. I must say I like the new build tree for Carthage better than the old one. Also, the new units look cool and have good, and most importantly, balanced stats.

[debux]

Looks great! Will download.

Do you mind if I build on top of your minipatches? I'd like to tweak a bit around with the Carthaginian rooster

BTW, I noticed that Massila seems to not have the Swordsmen unit integrated in their Barracks. I was thinking it was intentional but I noticed that Massila had a Swordsmen unit already (in the campaign) and that they were within the rooster avaible in the custom battles.

Oh yeah, and I wasn't able to find a custom icon for THS. Can I do one if it hasn't been made?

[Lanjane]

ninjabanana, thank you!

debux, I don't mind, but I suggest to join our efforts and create united community-patch to avoid confusion..)
Anyway, do as you wish.

[Cinuz]

I was thinking that you're kinda right Lanjane: the Pontic faction already have top tier cavalry class units. But I was thinking that you could at least replace the chariots (that were no more used) with the companions or the heavy greek cavalry. So it would be an heavy cavalry unit replacing another one. What do you say?

[Lanjane]

Agreed, Cinuz Thanks for the tip!

[Cinuz]

Here to serve

EDIT - Guys, I'm continuely having a CTD around the year 292 circa...The game is fresh installed, and it haveonly THS as a mod installed. Could it be the vanilla historic events' bug? I have the gold edition of RTW, the one published by CA with both RTW and BI... :s
I've experienced this bug with Macedons, Antigonids and Pontus.

[Lanjane]

I suppose it's not a historic events-related bug, but try placing this file to your THS/data/text folder

[Cinuz]

I suppose it's not a historic events-related bug, but try placing this file to your THS/data/text folder

This seems to work!

I've played other 10 years (before being defeated......) and not even a single crash!

+Rep!

[Lanjane]

I must say this file isn't mine, it was provided with a great thing called BUG-FIXER for RTW 1.5. That fan-made patch fixes plenty of minor bugs in RTW (about 50-80). I found it somewhere on totalwar.org, but I'm sure someone uploaded it on TWC downloads section too.
Glad to be helpful

[Cinuz]

I must say this file isn't mine, it was provided with a great thing called BUG-FIXER for RTW 1.5. That fan-made patch fixes plenty of minor bugs in RTW (about 50-80). I found it somewhere on totalwar.org, but I'm sure someone uploaded it on TWC downloads section too.
Glad to be helpful

Well, thank you anyway, I've searched for it but I couldn't find it (wrong searching terms I'm afraid...)

Anyway, I was thinking: since it seems that giving the italic skirmishers even to the Roman faction wasn't a good suggestion, why not give to the roman republic another kind of unit? An italic spearmen unit, that could maybe replace the vigiles or spearmen militia (don't remember their name). So even rome would have a medium spearmen unit without having to wait for the triarii..

[Lanjane]

I searched for it and finally found. Here - http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...expansion-pack

Yes, I'll add to romans medium spearmen (allied infantry) in the same barracks as hastati; hope it won't ruin game balance.

[Cinuz]

Well if they do so, they can always be removed from the campaign in another patch!

[debux]

Thanks Lanjane, although I'm gonna have to wait a week for any real progress... see this is why I thought this mod could get an own "mod thread" or something... there just too little space for feedback/suggestions/advancement/etc. Besides, the mod could get more views this way.

Today I played around 100 turn today with Carthage (got sucked in ), the unit variety was awesome. It was a bit lame to have a mostly skirmisher army early on (skirmisher+caetrati+poeni archers with no real line infantry) but now it's getting quite nice. My strategy was to get sicily early, grab spain (which failed miserably thanks to autoresolve) and north africa (I've gotten only heroic victories, those rebels are tough!)... I looked at Rome and saw they had like 4 stacks , bad idea to let them grow.

About the gameplay of the mod itself, I've gotta say that the Antigonids impressed me, being able to expand in almost any direction, both Rome and Carthage have very fast city growth rates (I had +7.5 on Large city Carthage, high taxes), and that sapin has so many troops to begin with that it seems that they are bankrupt, because their cities don't seem to contruct many buildings.

Besides that, great mod, really liking it.

[Achea]

Excellent changes to the Iberians. A Heavy Cavalry unit may be in order, though.

EDIT: Also, I have think that marion Roman units should be removed, with the possible exception of Roman Cavalry and Light Auxilia.

[ninjabanana]

Excellent changes to the Iberians. A Heavy Cavalry unit may be in order, though.

EDIT: Also, I have think that marion Roman units should be removed, with the possible exception of Roman Cavalry and Light Auxilia.

Or at least remove Urbans, Legionary Cav. and Praet. Cav.

And what about my earlier suggestion of giving Pontus and Atropatene Paved Roads?

[Lanjane]

I have a list of all your suggestions in .txt file, so don't worry, all will be done soon.

What do you think guys of replacing armoured hoplites (it's a cheat unit I suppose) with thureophoroi? (spearmen with thureos, heavy oval shield, and heavy javelins - fight just like legionaries, but with spear instead of a sword).

And about romans... I'll remove late legionaries, first cohort, legionary cavalry, praetorians&praetorian cav and Urban Cohort, but will add them some auxilia with lorica hamata instead. Does it sound good?

[Sabazios]

@ninjabanana
Pontus should definately be able to build paved roads. Dont now bout Atropatene though. This is very easy to do yourself. For Pontus, go to THS folder, open export_descr_buildings.txt and add pontus to the line ''paved_roads requires factions''

@Lanjane
I've got an unit request for you. Please change the skin of te bastarnae for the Lysimachia empire (Thrace)! It annoys me for years that they have the same skin as Thracian mercenaries. Also their defence skill could be a bit higher imo.

Maybe an unit idea for the Macedonians could be Agrianian infantry, highly skilled elite skirmishers. They served Philip II and Alexander.

Dont know about removing armoured hoplites, because i dont know what it wil do with gamebalance. And how are they a cheat unit?

Keep up the good work.

[Aleksander the Average]

What do you think guys of replacing armoured hoplites (it's a cheat unit I suppose) with thureophoroi? (spearmen with thureos, heavy oval shield, and heavy javelins - fight just like legionaries, but with spear instead of a sword).

And about romans... I'll remove late legionaries, first cohort, legionary cavalry, praetorians&praetorian cav and Urban Cohort, but will add them some auxilia with lorica hamata instead. Does it sound good?

totally agree. i think these would be good fixes,

edit: but as someone else said... just move the armored hoplites up a tier.. the greeks will need them later.

i think thureophoroi should be equivalent to hastati/principes (or in between)
while thorakitai should be equal to triarii (maybe a little better) - this way we can recruit them at city and army barracks respectively.

thoughts?