Best Start Date For "High Era Campaign?" (SS6.3)

[Tears of Destiny]

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We currently have the option of starting an "Early Era Campaign" at 1100 CE, or "Late Era Campaign" at 1220 CE.

In your opinion, what would be the best start date for a "High Era Campaign" if a modification were to come out for it?

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If we follow the pattern, a High Era Campaign would be an additional 120 years into the future, so 1340 CE would be a candidate. However, there are popular notions to start it at the year 1370 or even 1450 (Though this late of a year would unlock practically everything, leaving not even a short wait for new units). Searching in the older forums has revealed a multitude of opinions for a multitude of SSX versions, and I would like an updated opinion.

What are your thoughts? Feel free to provide a specific year after you post (If you have an argument for your position, that would be even better).

EDIT:
Note that this will be a 2TPY (You have to wait twice the time for events) and a 1TPY project, to capture both audiences.

Popular Historical Mentions:
Reconquest of Constantinople and Death of Norman-Sicily will be instated regardless of Year and Crusader States will lose The Holy Lands (heavily spread out and weakened, Rhodes being the only notable settlement)(<1300)
Black Death 1346-1354
Timurid Invasion 1370
Gothic Plate 1450 chance to 1460
2nd Fall of Konstantinopolis: 1445
Fall of Eastern Roman Empire: 1461

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[Asterix]

i'm the first voter.... i say the 2nd option, but some people might oppose that because the plague is so nearby and might be a bit of a major headache.

[SoCCo]

is there any chance to make the game end later?

[Tears of Destiny]

is there any chance to make the game end later?

Victory conditions are easily moddable (I can even do that! Now that is saying something).

Yes, the end date will be increased accordingly.

[Meneth]

Good luck.
I personally have no idea when it should start, however.
Somewhere around 1340 sounds right, though. I'd go with 1350 or slightly more, however, so as to avoid the Black Death.
Afterwards, make a 1450 campaign

[Tears of Destiny]

Good luck.
I personally have no idea when it should start, however.
Somewhere around 1340 sounds right, though. I'd go with 1350 or slightly more, however, so as to avoid the Black Death.
Afterwards, make a 1450 campaign

Thank you! I was thinking that if I did set it recently after the Black Death event, I wold give certain centers a population hit.

Hypothetically... If I did it.

[Asterix]

Good luck.
I personally have no idea when it should start, however.
Somewhere around 1340 sounds right, though. I'd go with 1350 or slightly more, however, so as to avoid the Black Death.
Afterwards, make a 1450 campaign

hmmmm... how about a campaign started right after (like the year after) the plague? you could emphasize the true effects of it better this way, rather than the "that was the plague?" feeling you get in vanilla. and i think it would be interesting to try and get your faction to recover the fastest and gain ultimate victory. just an idea, of course.

[Ziltoid]

Always liked the 1450 as you could get the endgame units such as Gothic Knights just some 10-20 turns on the campaign, when they still have big role in your game. Since my games usually tend to end within the 50-100 turns. There is still waiting to do for Dismounted Gothic Knights, and more advanced pikemen and musketeers. Not to mention the developement for huge walls and all the barracks and such to get em to use. And then there are later on Reiters and such still to spice it all up.

Only issue with old 1450 SS 6.2 RR/RC campaign was that the opponents never got those fancy units in use. They never made Huge Wall cities with endgame barracks. So you were alone fielding Armored Pikemen with line of advanced Musketeers within their cover. Which kinda made that post-medieval renessaince warfare bit too onesided.

[ly0_ly0]

1370-1390 Just when the Turks finish up their conquest in the balkans.Very interesting starting positions also

[Point Blank]

yep agreed, somewhere 1370-1400

[Orochimaru]

yes agreed, somewhere 1370-1390.

[Tomato_Sandwich]

definitely a date that allows the timurids to be playable if they will be included. (they should )

[PedroL]

For me is 1350

[Leão magno]

Agree with you 1350

[Tears of Destiny]

Hmm, popular vote now brings this between during the black plague (before 1350) and after it (after 1350).

I will give this another week or so before settling on my decision.

[Meneth]

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. A pattern is already appearing.

[JorisofHolland]

Yeah, but you can have a pattern with 5 voters already. I'd like to hear arguments for and against each date, perhaps some maps displaying (roughly) the starting positions, to see which one would be the most interesting.

[Gromovnik]

I think it should deffinitely be after the plague. I wanna avoid all that mess.

[Tears of Destiny]

I added some significant Historical Events (Some, not all).

[Meneth]

BTW, if you don't touch the EDB, making both a 1 TPY and 2 TPY version is easy. You only have to change a single number in the descr_strat.