Fascism

[Frederich Barbarossa]

An analysis on Fascism and the Real Aggressor

Prelude

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One as a man can say that fascism is a brutal form of government, and to an extent having been the most brutal of all, but is this all true; yet even believable? Communism and Democracy alone have amassed millions of dead for sheer corporatist Greed. I admit this essay is dedicated to all those who suffered in world war 2: The Jew, The Bolsheviks, to some extent the German soldiers, US soldiers; for I know how tough the world was back then and how they were all brainwashed to do things of unimaginable proportion. In this essay, my objective is to demonstrate the true form of fascism and how it actually is a benefactor to society. Just think, though with unnecessary loss, at how the Fascist regimes of WW2 advanced technology by far. Without the war we would obviously be in a 1960's scenario though the true question is as to if those losses were really worthy? Please do enjoy this extensive essay, covering the economics, social policies and racial policies of Fascism... Once again I thank all who take the time to read this work, but I ask that you all be respectful, especially to each others work.

Stance I. "The Democratic Question"

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One can say as to what is Democracy: a broken political doctrine that states that majority vote is final? Was this the choice we had in the 2010 presidential elections? Did we really follow a man who just gave us false promises? Democracy having been a broken and unstable form of government only deteriorates the human individual. It focus's firstly on quantity whereas it ignores those higher thinkers who actually know what they speak of. The reason being that quantity is so tarnished, is because it can easily focus great manipulation on certain numbers of voters to get the job done and quick. A good though fanatical example could be pictured in the movie gangs of New York, which portrays criminal organizations at their finest. The Character Amsterdam makes a deal with a politician to score votes for him. The form of manipulation is that he is an Irish immigrant, therefore he would gain the sympathies of Irish voters. In the end there was actually a riot which left New York in poverty and thousands dead. This sheer example just shows the beginnings of the faulty democracy which has engulfed our nations so maliciously. Why do you not pay attention to quality? Why not fund more money for NASA as suggested by enlightened beings, such as Stephen Hawking, but only listen to the ignorant people of a poverty stricken neighborhood? Do they not realize the true benefits of this undertaking?

Democracy can thus be targeted as faulty for the following number of reasons and even more. There are just too many things that can go wrong:

*Corporations and business's are more susceptible to building monopolies throughout the nation; this being towards their benefit and not of that of the common people. This is because it is an obvious power struggle.

*Quantitative thinking leads to worst decisions. IE: 2010 presidential elections.

*In Democracy decisions are made at a slower rate thus leaving the government more vulnerable because Leadership is switching off too much (even if the individual is good with the 2 term policy).

*Government interventionism is usually aimed at high corporations and oligarchic groups because these individuals have serious monopolies in the industry.

*Democratic governments and thus democratic leadership can be easily influenced by other individuals due to power struggle.

A clear and sure example can be testified by one Professors theory as to why Democracy fails and how it is doing so at this moment. http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Articl...emocracies.htm

q From bondage to spiritual faith;
q From spiritual faith to great courage;
q From courage to liberty;
q From liberty to abundance;
q From abundance to complacency;
q From complacency to apathy;
q From apathy to dependence;
q From dependency back into bondage.”

This is the process at which democracy runs. A starting point at which individuals start of in a struggle for liberty, and end up in a hungry power driven State; into eventual deception. Can you not see how President Obama tried to bail out GM, and not the smaller, more humble business's? He did so out of personal gain and influence. Money matters most in democracy and especially in Capitalism, because you are economically free to do basically whatever you want, without restrictions. Now let us compare this to communism, which is basically a more strict version. Communism tends to revert to the ideals of halting monopolies and leaving everyone at the same economic level "aka the No Caste Society". Is this fair to the hard workers? In fascism the smaller business's are of the concern to the leader and it has been demonstrated so through the economic policies of Corporatism. The fascist political doctrine decided to combine the two, by focusing high Oligarchic Corporations, in actually taking charge of certain sectors of the industry and negotiating between themselves to set up a policy as to which they could relate to, including the leader and the people. Corporatism balances oligarchies and the No Caste structure more because it spreads monopolies more. IE: The more monopolies in the nation, the smaller these monopolies are, and thus a wider range of wealth for the Population. Corporation is not oligarchic in the sense that families control the wallets, but the trained individuals who studied for these positions. Democracy most of all, lacks this...

Stance II. Distribution-ism

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It usually comes to mind as to what this word means. In the early 20th century a wide variety of thinkers began to notice the flaws of Capitalism and Socialism spreading through Europe. I must admit these systems have their pros, but they are seriously flawed in this portion of my thesis. People like Hilaire Belloc and Chesterton expressed as a forms of basic protest, that it is the states job, to basically supply consumer goods to the people as quickly as possible. In some cases fascism resides here, because both come from third-way viewpoints and standards. This makes them easily interconnected. Plutarchic Capitalism only offers most consumer goods to the wealthy and those who can afford it, but do they really deserve it. If we look back at the Progressive movement of early America we can construct an easy argument as to showing the real face of the working man: a mis-treated individual, being payed a meager paycheck and exploited to do another's burden. In some sense I see, of course in my opinion, that Capitalism gives the right of way to any person to use scheme and exploitation to raise up the social latter, much rather then actually earn it. Another economic doctrine, State Socialism, is derived from the control of consumer goods and thus economy into the States hands. Why is this bad? Because an individual has a certain right to be able to control that which they produce. Distribution-ism combines the two to form an even spreading of consumer goods, without favoring the exploiting Bankers and Realtors and turn in favor to the common people. An important quote from Chesterton himself just says it all, "Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists." Now what does this mean; does it mean that Capitalism is certainly bad? In some sense yes it is, unfortunately, because it started out so good. How can it be that a free economy gives the right of way to greedy imbeciles who exploit others just to stay over the top. That isn't freedom and is immoral. The idea of Capitalism should be true freedom, thus the freedom to be able to have a good chance of success without infringing on the rights of others who wish to do the same. However due to the right of way Capitalism only offers an impending freedom to the upper class, because they can bribe their way into scandals...

more to come

[43rdFoot]

An analysis on Fascism and the Real Aggressor

Prelude

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[Blah, blah blah, misunderstanding of history, blah, blah blah...] was back then and how they were all brainwashed to do things of unimaginable proportion.

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It is almost hilarious that you could disregard Allied efforts as that of "brainwashing", and then go and defend Fascism. It really boggles the mind.

In this essay, my objective is to demonstrate the true form of fascism and how it actually is a benefactor to society. Just think, though with unnecessary loss, at how the Fascist regimes of WW2 advanced technology by far.

...Whilst simultaneously murdering millions of people, the murder of which made possible through totalitarian Fascism.

Without the war we would obviously be in a 1960's scenario

WTF is a "1960's scenario?"

though the true question is as to if those losses were really worthy?

The answer is no.

Stance I. "The Democratic Question"

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One can say as to what is Democracy: a broken political doctrine that states that majority vote is final?

That is only true in a direct democracy, which does not exist anywhere on Earth. We live in a democratic republic.

Was this the choice we had in the 2010 presidential elections?

No, it wasn't.

Did we really follow a man who just gave us false promises?

No, we didn't.

Democracy having been a broken and unstable form of government only deteriorates the human individual.

The largest and most successful economies of all human history are "democracies". Hardly "deteriorating the human individual".

Fascism, on the other hand, which makes individual human life as unimportant, does.

It focus's firstly on quantity whereas it ignores those higher thinkers who actually know what they speak of.

Maybe, but then direct democracies don't exist. In fact, our nation was constructed specifically to defeat this.

The reason being that quantity is so tarnished, is because it can easily focus great manipulation on certain numbers of voters to get the job done and quick. A good though fanatical example could be pictured in the movie gangs of New York, which portrays criminal organizations at their finest. The Character Amsterdam makes a deal with a politician to score votes for him. The form of manipulation is that he is an Irish immigrant, therefore he would gain the sympathies of Irish voters. In the end there was actually a riot which left New York in poverty and thousands dead. This sheer example just shows the beginnings of the faulty democracy which has engulfed our nations so maliciously.

Are you trying to say that Fascism can not be corrupt? Because if you are, I have a suggestion for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_asylum

Why do you not pay attention to quality? Why not fund more money for NASA as suggested by enlightened beings, such as Stephen Hawking, but only listen to the ignorant people of a poverty stricken neighborhood?

Because exploring space does not put food on the table of a starving family. That's why.

Do they not realize the true benefits of this undertaking?

Of course they do, but some things are more important. Like, you know, the economy.

Democracy can thus be targeted as faulty for the following number of reasons and even more. There are just too many things that can go wrong:

*Corporations and business's are more susceptible to building monopolies throughout the nation; this being towards their benefit and not of that of the common people. This is because it is an obvious power struggle.

And Fascism doesn't? The ideology of Fascism was also called corporatism, and for good reason.

*Quantitative thinking leads to worst decisions. IE: 2010 presidential elections.

And autocratic reasoning does not?

*In Democracy decisions are made at a slower rate thus leaving the government more vulnerable because Leadership is switching off too much (even if the individual is good with the 2 term policy).

Yet the U.S. has the most effective military organization on earth, and is yet the most powerful. Hardly "vulnerable". This argument may have held water in like, 1787, but it doesn't anymore.

*Government interventionism is usually aimed at high corporations and oligarchic groups because these individuals have serious monopolies in the industry.

Interventionism? Explain what this is.

*Democratic governments and thus democratic leadership can be easily influenced by other individuals due to power struggle.

And this is somehow a problem?

A clear and sure example can be testified by one Professors theory as to why Democracy fails and how it is doing so at this moment. http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Articl...emocracies.htm

This professor is a crackpot. Anybody who would say something like this:

"We’ve gone from being overtaxed slaves of King George of England"

Is not worth giving the time of day to. It is patent .

q From bondage to spiritual faith;
q From spiritual faith to great courage;
q From courage to liberty;
q From liberty to abundance;
q From abundance to complacency;
q From complacency to apathy;
q From apathy to dependence;
q From dependency back into bondage.”

Fascism, on the other hand, has one step:

q From bondage to bondage


I'll take democracy.

This is the process at which democracy runs.

Prove it.

A starting point at which individuals start of in a struggle for liberty, and end up in a hungry power driven State; into eventual deception.

So what do you want? A state which starts at the very beginning as a "hungry power driven State"?

Can you not see how President Obama tried to bail out GM, and not the smaller, more humble business's?

Because GM had more influence in the economy.

He did so out of personal gain and influence.

Prove it.

Money matters most in democracy and especially in Capitalism, because you are economically free to do basically whatever you want, without restrictions.

And how exactly does this "deteriorate the human individual"?

Now let us compare this to communism, which is basically a more strict version.

Communism is the exact opposite of Capitalism. It has been since the very beginning. Maybe you ought to read a book sometime.

Communism tends to revert to the ideals of halting monopolies and leaving everyone at the same economic level "aka the No Caste Society".

Prove it.

Is this fair to the hard workers?

What determines what hard work is?

In fascism the smaller business's are of the concern to the leader and it has been demonstrated so through the economic policies of Corporatism. The fascist political doctrine decided to combine the two, by focusing high Oligarchic Corporations, in actually taking charge of certain sectors of the industry and negotiating between themselves to set up a policy as to which they could relate to, including the leader and the people. Corporatism balances oligarchies and the No Caste structure more because it spreads monopolies more. IE: The more monopolies in the nation, the smaller these monopolies are, and thus a wider range of wealth for the Population. Corporation is not oligarchic in the sense that families control the wallets, but the trained individuals who studied for these positions. Democracy most of all, lacks this...

So basically it is the worst of both worlds?


Sounds pleasant.

more to come

You need to learn how to footnote grand claims.

[Stark of Winterfell]

It's like Communism. Maybe in theory you can have good fascism, but just as no Communist state has excelled (and most have failed, some spectacularly) all of humanities current attempts of fascism have led to disaster for humanity. The best of them was Franco, who only persecuted his own people (so he's reached average Communist state level). Mussolini wanted to be aggressive and expansionist, he and his Italy just lacked the ability. Hitler, the grandest fascist of them all...yeah we know what happened there. Genocide, tens of millions dead, and the Soviet Occupation of Eastern Europe made possible by the tides of war. I'll look over your post now for specific details to answer, but I had to get that out of my system first.

Also, its generally well known that Democracy has its issues. Problem is, all the other systems are worse. And in fascism you can have disastrous results if your leader makes mistakes...which happened several times during WWII, helping the Allies to win. When you put all your trust in one person, you'd best hope that they remain sane and devoted to you...or else what, you're going to remove the fascist government?

[Frederich Barbarossa]

It is almost hilarious that you could disregard Allied efforts as that of "brainwashing", and then go and defend Fascism. It really boggles the mind.

...Whilst simultaneously murdering millions of people, the murder of which made possible through totalitarian Fascism.


WTF is a "1960's scenario?"


The answer is no.


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You need to learn how to footnote grand claims.

what do you mean prove it, its their political doctrine! Also Democracy never had the best economies: IE Roman Empire. Spanish Empire. British Empire. Germany. Italy.


Whats weird is that these fascist states escaped the depression way before any democracy, I wonder why...

[NotYetRegistered]

what do you mean prove it, its their political doctrine! Also Democracy never had the best economies: IE Roman Empire. Spanish Empire. British Empire. Germany. Italy.

You are aware that the Spanish Empire went broke in the Eighty Years War and that the finances of the Roman Empire weren't all too good either.

[Dr. Croccer]

You are aware that the Spanish Empire went broke in the Eighty Years War and that the finances of the Roman Empire weren't all too good either.

Habsburg Spain is easily the worst example of an efficient economy. Spain had no major urban middle class like France or Holland. It's main (and really only) export of value was wool, hence why during and after the Reconquista the Spanish government requisitioned peasant subsistence land for grazing purposes, leading to famine and emigration. This was so massive that it is estimated that the Spanish population halved between 1400 and 1800.

[Claudius Gothicus]

You are aware that the Spanish Empire went broke in the Eighty Years War and that the finances of the Roman Empire weren't all too good either.

The Spanish empire had a systematically imbalanced BOP because of the huge amounts of gold being imported from South America made starting industries(who were mostly encouraged by the state back then) in the Spanish peninsula useless, therefore importation was the rule.

That way, more industrious countries like the Netherlands, France or England could take away all of Spain's gold and once the gold flow eventually stopped the Monarchs found themselves with a heavily underdeveloped society that lacked modern means of production, which eventually made the whole nation lag behind.

[43rdFoot]

what do you mean prove it, its their political doctrine!

Prove it's their political doctrine. If you're going to make sweeping claims about the political beliefs of the entire free world, you ought to have some facts to back it up.

Also Democracy never had the best economies: IE Roman Empire. Spanish Empire. British Empire. Germany. Italy.

Maybe you need to read up on this particular nation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states

[René Artois]

what do you mean prove it, its their political doctrine! Also Democracy never had the best economies: IE Roman Empire. Spanish Empire. British Empire. Germany. Italy.


Whats weird is that these fascist states escaped the depression way before any democracy, I wonder why...

So you're saying the British Empire at it's height was pure fascism? (you did claim the "essay"-this isn't an essay - is on pure fascism)
What an absurd claim! Ever heard of a little thing called... PARLIAMENT? It has been used to put laws in place since the Middle Ages, hell the American Democratic system was partly modelled on the British system.
You also mentioned the economies of Fascist Italy and Germany. Was that before or after they went into wars which rendered the population starving and the economy in ruins?

[Garbarsardar]

The absurdity of the claim the "all things considered fascism was a good thing" is a demonstration of the fallacy of isolating a variable in retrospect and elevate it to absolute causal level.

Example:

I am a policeman investigating the brutal murder and rape of 10 children. During the course of the investigation I meet a woman, relative to one victim. We fall in love and get married. Our child becomes a doctor and discovers the cure for cancer. So, in retrospect, the rape and murder of 10 children was a good thing for humanity and furthermore if one wants to find a cure for a terrible disease we should murder and rape 10 children to begin with.

[Frederich Barbarossa]

It is almost sexy that you could disregard Allied efforts as that of "brainwashing", and then go and defend Fascism. It really boggles the mind.

...Whilst simultaneously murdering millions of people, the murder of which made possible through totalitarian Fascism.


WTF is a "1960's scenario?"


The answer is no.


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You are awesome at footnoting grand claims.

Hmm well I counted all even fascist regimes as brainwashing to an extent. But this essay is based on pure fascism.

[LaMuerte]

O look , happy smiling fascist worker girls! \me waves back.

Seriously though , show me one fascist regime that actually respects different opinions , instead of suppressing them , and I might agree. Show me one fascist regime where people didn't disappear in worrisome circumstances. I prefer democracy with all its faults over any regime that doesn't respect freedom of speech , over a regime that would probably gank me for just writing this.

Nice piece of propaganda though.

[Frederich Barbarossa]

O look , happy smiling fascist worker girls! \me waves back.

Seriously though , show me one fascist regime that actually respects different opinions , instead of suppressing them , and I might agree. Show me one fascist regime where people didn't disappear in worrisome circumstances. I prefer democracy with all its faults over any regime that doesn't respect freedom of speech , over a regime that would probably gank me for just writing this.

Nice piece of propaganda though.

There was Pinochet and Perez Jimenez. My grandfather was a soldier under Perez Jimenez, and personally loves the guy.

[Gromovnik]

There was Pinochet and Perez Jimenez. My grandfather was a soldier under Perez Jimenez, and personally loves the guy.

Well, if your grandfather said so, then it must be the truth...

[Frederich Barbarossa]

Well, if your grandfather said so, then it must be the truth...

oh its not only him. Its most people in the country. He built nearly all of Venezuelas infrastructure.
Also Pinochet killed communists who protested. Dude he modernized his country, just research. I do know my facts it's because you guys believe in anything thats told to you. Investigate.


Also this is my work...

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

oh its not only him. Its most people in the country. He built nearly all of Venezuelas infrastructure.
Also Pinochet killed communists who protested. Dude he modernized his country, just research. I do know my facts it's because you guys believe in anything thats told to you. Investigate.


Also this is my work...

Since your the one making these claims the owness is on you to back up your claims with proof.

[LaMuerte]

Also Pinochet killed communists who protested.

My bad then. Good job , Pinochet... . If I remember correctly , Allende was an elected president , not a protesting commie.

I'm beginning to see very clearly why you believe in fascism...

[Stark of Winterfell]

oh its not only him. Its most people in the country. He built nearly all of Venezuelas infrastructure.
Also Pinochet killed communists who protested. Dude he modernized his country, just research. I do know my facts it's because you guys believe in anything thats told to you. Investigate.


Also this is my work...

I guess you must love Stalin then. After all, he modernized the USSR and made it an industrial powerhouse. Mao wasn't as successful with his Great Leap Forward, but he wanted to bring industry to all. FDR and Eisenhower also contributed greatly to US infrastructure. Oh, wait those aren't fascists. Modernizing a country is not something only fascists are known for. Political repression on the other hand...

[Gromovnik]

oh its not only him. Its most people in the country.

do you have any source on that?

Also Pinochet killed communists who protested...

Ah yes. Who could blame the guy, whenever I see people protesting, I call my local death squad to take care of that. Damn hippies and their "right to protest"...

[Tiberios]

Also Pinochet killed communists who protested.

How can killing demonstrators ever be justified in any way? People have a right to protest, communists are no exception.