Why in the OT does God hate Foreskins so much?

[War lord]

So I'm looking through the old testament Absurdities and one thing keeps coming up:
"17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. 17:24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."

"4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision."

"30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Why the hate?

[Col. Tartleton]

So I'm looking through the old testament Absurdities and one thing keeps coming up:
"17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. 17:24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."

"4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision."

"30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Why the hate?

Yeah I find it odd that the creator would tell his creations to mar their forms... but God knows best...

I think its gross but I'm circumcised and it seems alien to me to be otherwise.

[boofhead]

It was a health thing for the Jews I think, like their myriad other hygiene laws.

[wilpuri]

It was a health thing for the Jews I think, like their myriad other hygiene laws.

Cutting your dick up isn't healthy, its perverted, like a myriad of other Jewish laws.

[Phier]

Cutting your dick up isn't healthy, its perverted, like a myriad of other Jewish laws.

I realize the interwebs if flooded with this stuff lately but despite that, studies have shown that sex is better (which is amusingly one of the main arguments against it), and there are less diseases when you circumcise. Its not life or death, but I'm quite happy snipped, thank you berry much.

I laugh when I hear people say circumcision is having your penis "mutilated". Come on now, this isn't ancient China where some babies are chosen to become Eunuchs and castrated. It's just removing a little bit of excess skin that isn't needed and frankly gets in the way. I'm glad I was circumcised at birth (though neither of my parents are religious) because for one I sure wouldn't want them taking the blade to it while I'm old enough to realize what's happening, and secondly uncut is gross. No offense anyone.

We had a TWC member going under the knife for Phimosis last year, poor guy. I'd link the wiki but its against the TOS

[Steforian]

We had a TWC member going under the knife for Phimosis last year, poor guy. I'd link the wiki but its against the TOS

I regret looking that up.

[black-dragon]

Maybe he doesn't hate them and just thinks that they make tasty snacks.

[Elfdude]

The original reason (before the pharaoh forbade it and moses restored it at passover) however is that apparently Adam had no foreskin and this was seen as absolute perfection. Those who were born without foreskins were seen as supremely divine perhaps directly from Adam's lineage. It was Shem (a son of noah) who circumcises Abraham and Ishmael on the day of atonement and the blood of atonement is shed forever on that day as atonement (although not literally apparently boys are supposed to have it done within 8 days of birth).

You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.

In the passover quote, I think moses was supposed to give the Israelites the knowledge of circumcision again so that they would restore their covenant with the lord. Or maybe to protect the first born from the lord as he was to take the first born children of egypt as they had taken his first born (the israelites). Anyways at passover Moses tells them to circumcize their children and they do and mix it with the blood of the paschal lamb thus and thus and are spared. Or something like that. The explanations I've gotten are nebulous it's difficult to define why god demands this of us.

[Himster]

It reduces sexual pleasure and after a while; appetite too. In a time when underage pregnancy would more than likely end with the death of at least one person, I can somewhat empathise with the thought proccess behind it.

[TSD]

It reduces sexual pleasure and after a while; appetite too. In a time when underage pregnancy would more than likely end with the death of at least one person, I can somewhat empathise with the thought proccess behind it.

Unless somebody was personally, both uncircumsized then circumsized, how the hell would someone circumsized or not know?

I have yet to see someone who has made this exact claim provide a study or anything on the subject and expect people to yield to their "expert" medical knowledge.

I'm just starting to believe people want an excuse for having a dick that looks like it belongs to an animal.

[Meneth]

Unless somebody was personally, both uncircumsized then circumsized, how the hell would someone circumsized or not know?

I have a horrible sense of smell, and have always have.
Should that be impossible for me to know?

[TSD]

I have a horrible sense of smell, and have always have.
Should that be impossible for me to know?

two different things altogether. If I can smell something and you cant and we are both being honest, that is measurable.

example, vision, you stick that chart in front of somebody, ask them to read a sign, etc etc. and you can tell if that person needs glasses. So now all we need is a test to prove if that person needs foreskin.

If an uncircumsized man and a circumsized man beat off/have sex whatever and man A says it felt good and man B said but my experience felt better, how the hell could you measure that? How would man B know his experience was better than man A unless he had previously experienced exactly what man A did?

It would be a different story if circumcized people didnt enjoy sex and uncircumsized people did. That unfortunately is not the case, therefore how can you measure who enjoys it more.

Unless the foreskin is proven to be this beacon of supersensitive sexual flesh, From my personal experience the most sensitive parts of my man meat would normally be covered up by that blasted foreskin.

[Stavroforos]

Aye, God is all about us having some really good sex.

[Rich86]

Cutting your dick up isn't healthy, its perverted,

Not an expert on the benefits of circumcision myself....but perhaps it was thought back then (albeit incorrectly) that it was healthy?

[Squiggle]

Not an expert on the benefits of circumcision myself....but perhaps it was thought back then (albeit incorrectly) that it was healthy?

It is healthier, and is considered as such even now. The difference is, we have access to proper running water 24/7 so the difference is completely negligible or non existent. None the less in less than ideal circumstances, it pays to be circumsized.

[War lord]

It is healthier, and is considered as such even now. The difference is, we have access to proper running water 24/7 so the difference is completely negligible or non existent. None the less in less than ideal circumstances, it pays to be circumsized.

The Myth that Circumcision is cleaner is just that,a medical Myth,so long as you wash properly there is no greater danger.

[Squiggle]

The Myth that Circumcision is cleaner is just that,a medical Myth,so long as you wash properly there is no greater danger.

Did you read my post? I specefically said the difference is negligible or non existent in the modern day, precisely because we can do that. We couldnt in the past, hence in less than ideal circumstances circumcision IS cleaner.

[Himster]

To forcefully circumcise a POW is a war-crime, but to do it to your child is perfectly fine. Makes perfect sense.

Circumcision does reduce the chance of infection in that area, but so does removing toe-nails reduce the possibility of infection. The pros do not out-weigh the cons by any stretch of the imagination.

[basics]

" Why the hate? "

War Lord,

Circumcision was a sign of the promises made to Abraham. What it signifies as concerning the promises was that certain from Abraham would become the children of God, not through the flesh but by a change of heart or change of nature. As the Scriptures make us well aware God hates sin so what we see here is but a type and shadow of things to come.

That said it is a practise that has been adopted by many of other religions even including some that hold the name of Christianity, I suppose to give more authority to what they believe. Paul elaborates quite eloquently of there being no need at all for anyone to be circumcised if they have already been regenerate yet understands that his fellow Jews didn't have much say in being so since they would be circumcised around the eighth day after birth.

Remember that when the tribes were chosen they too were sinners yet covered on the outside by all the rituals and ceremonies given them to keep. By the same token all of these pointed to but one thing, Jesus Christ, who was to be the only person in the flesh untainted by sin and so able to through His divinity take their sins away. In other words such was God's hatred of sin that He personally could only draw men to the Saviour.

Since the Law demands blood for sin then it was that only the blood of a flesh born person could pay the price provided He was pure and fortunaterly for us of a divine nature. In worldly terms God the Father was boxed in by His own righteouness. Yes He created sin but such was that creation that He couldn't even look on it. So when Jesus was hung to the cross the Father never saw Him, rather the sin that He had taken onto Himself and so poured out His wrath upon Him.

That is why regenerate Christians feel the relief that they never personally endured what their Saviour did, but they do appreciate that He did it for them hence the strong feeling of conviction when they are being called, something that never quite goes away. In Him they were there as if it was them and that should never be forgotten. For those of the fallen nature that wrath has yet to be enforced so there is still time to know Jesus Christ personally but believe me it only lasts for a lifetime.

[Brain_in_a_vat]

We're all filthy sinners, we should all mutilate our genitals.