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    I reccomend that everyone reads this.

    http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...OSCOW9533.html

    It will brighten up your monday, and its in general one awesome leak.
    Instead of pasting the whole god damn thing I'll just link to it.
    lol

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    Summary please. Why should I care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Summary please. Why should I care?
    Because you just have to get on the invite list. Take the Volga Cruise down to Astrakhan and then the ferry from there to Makhachkala. (The drive through Chechnya is no fun.)
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    I dont care whether you care or not. Either you read it or you dont. If you are unable or unwilling to read things that dont contain large pictures and bolded text then thats your problem.
    lol

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    Not political, should be moved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Not political, should be moved.
    au contraire:

    Dagestani weddings are serious business

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    Then it should go in a business forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Then it should go in a business forum.
    Well, there are political elements to the cable.

    and a happily married Dagestani couple blew up some stuff in Moscow earlier this year, so I guess it's worth checking out the weddings.

    (yes, I know. It was a totally disappointing link to follow but hey - it is what it is.)

    Dzhennet Abdurakhmanova, who is believed to have carried out one of the Moscow metro bombings, poses with her late husband Umalat Magomedov. Photograph: Newsteam/AFP/Getty Images

    One of the suicide bombers believed to be responsible for Monday's deadly attacks on the Moscow subway was the 17-year-old widow of a Muslim insurgent leader from the Caucasus mountains of Dagestan, a Russian newspaper reported today.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/02/moscow-metro-bomber-named-russian


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    Its an interesting view on caucasian politics. And its funny.
    I'll ignore Ferrets whining and negativity, and paste some lines from the cable.

    After Ramzan sped off, the dinner and drinking --
    especially the latter -- continued. An Avar FSB colonel
    sitting next to us, dead drunk, was highly insulted that we
    would not allow him to add “cognac” to our wine. “It’s
    practically the same thing,” he insisted, until a Russian FSB
    general sitting opposite told him to drop it. We were
    inclined to cut the Colonel some slack, though: he is head
    of the unit to combat terrorism in Dagestan, and Gadzhi told
    us that extremists have sooner or later assassinated everyone
    who has joined that unit. We were more worried when an
    Afghan war buddy of the Colonel’s, Rector of the Dagestan
    University Law School and too drunk to sit, let alone stand,
    pulled out his automatic and asked if we needed any
    protection. At this point Gadzhi and his people came over,
    propped the rector between their shoulders, and let us get
    out of range.
    lol

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    As old as the first Chechnyan War itself.
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    Man, this is funny. It's the sole place on earth were two cultures meet: Russia, which worship alcohol, and Islam which prohibit it's consumsen.

    Russia'n culture 1 - Islam 0

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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