Why Can't Despicable Me Get Alliances?

[Exarch]

so in my campaign, vh/vh as the HRE, i've sacked a little too many cities and now have a despicable reputation.
and no matter how i try to get alliances with factions who aren't at war with me or my vassals, the option for alliance in the diplomacy window isn't there.

can anyone help me with this?

[Paok]

They may not ally with you because they are already allied with your enemies!

[Exarch]

they can't
i destroyed their allies, my enemies

take the mongols for eg, i want an alliance with them, they dont have any allies atm, none of my vassals are at war with them so why can't i ally with them?

[The Source]

they can't
i destroyed their allies, my enemies

take the mongols for eg, i want an alliance with them, they dont have any allies atm, none of my vassals are at war with them so why can't i ally with them?

are you at war with thier allies or used to be
try giving them 500g each turn, they'll ease up eventully

[avion365]

i am not sure if being despicable has any thing to do with it

[Ishan]

Offer for Alliances are turned down if the global rep of that faction sucks.

[Exarch]

so does that mean i have to play nice for a while, before i can get the option for alliances again?

[Ishan]

Technically yes but it's total war after all:-
All u need to know about Global Reputation.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Global Reputation Facts

To gain perfect reputation, that is Immaculate do this:-

1. Making and keeping that alliance, it gradually increases your reputation every turn then.
2. Occupying a settlement. Occupying raises your reputation with a considerable amount for each settlement you take and is an easy way of raising reputation early on in the game (because of few public order problems).
3. Releasing prisoners. Releasing any number of prisoners results in a rise in global reputation. Releasing more then 80 prisoners gives an additional bonus. Releasing prisoners is the best way to counter the drop in global reputation a war gives.
4. Releasing enemy characters. Releasing a character raises global reputation tremendously, regardless of the number of characters released(generals only not captains).
5. Offering military assistance. This is not the same as offering to attack a faction through diplomacy (which reads as "military assistance against..." in-game) but means that you actually take part in a battle with an ally or a neutral faction (to which you have given military assistance).

What causes ur Global reputation to go down:-

1. Being at war with another faction. This will reduce your Global reputation with a very small amount every turn.
2. Attacking an ally. Backstabbing will lower your reputation instantly so again don't do it.
3. Breaking an alliance through diplomacy also reduces your Global reputation by a small factor.
4. Breaking an alliance when u have to choose between two allies when they go to war with each other. It will lower your reputation by a considerable factor.
5. Breaking a treaty. Breaking a treaty such as "trade rights" and "military access" lowers your reputation by a considerable factor.
6. Bribing a settlement. Bribing a settlement (with your diplomat) lowers your reputation by a considerable factor.
7. Stealing back a settlement. Means that u give away a settlement via diplomacy and then take it back afterwards this will surely ruin ur reputation for good. *It is advised not to do this stupidity anyways.
8. Executing prisoners. Executing any number of prisoners lowers reputation by a small factor but executing over 80 prisoners causes an additional drop in reputation which is very considerable.
9. Executing an enemy characters. Executing an enemy general that's been taken prisoner causes a considerable drop in reputation, regardless of the amount of characters.
10. Sacking a settlement. Sacking causes a drop in reputation by a small factor though if u keep doing it u will see the difference instantly.
11. Exterminating a settlement. Exterminating causes a drop in reputation greater than sacking so u might wanna avoid that.

One more thing that bugged me was this:-

That is completely false. Reputation has nothing to do with Spies and Assassins being caught, being used or being trained.
Their -ve effects are only:-

• Being caught results in faction relations. It leads to war.
• Using them makes only makes your faction leader dreadful.
• Training them also makes your faction leader dreadful.

And whether your faction leader is chivalrous or dreadful it will not affect your faction global reputation in any way.


Hope this clear your mind whoever is not familiar with it.

[eXistenZ]

Why would you want allies? only thing they do is backstab you

[Vice]

The only alliance worth a damn that wont end in a backstab very quickly would be a marriage alliance...But even then they still tend to backstab just not right away...Though I do recall playing as Spain awhile back I made a marriage alliance with Portugal and they never once backstab me..Infact down the road when I eventually wanted their land after like 200 years of peace or what not twas I who did the backstabbing!

[Exarch]

thanks ishan

also, i find that vassals are more dependable than allies, in terms of backstabbing lol-usually cuz they're so weak lol.

trying to get them to attack another faction tho, is hard, they're much too passive

so in my campaign, i went to war with the portuguese and released 2 full stacks of prisoners, and i received a marked raise in global rep; i went from 'despicable' to 'deceitful'
hope that's good, lol

[Ishan]

Yes you are making progress lol.
Global Reputation:
-Despicable
-Deceitful
-Very Untrustworthy
-Untrustworthy
-Dubious
-Mixed
-Reliable
-Very Reliable
-Trustworthy
-Very trustworthy
-Immaculate

[zcylen]

-Immaculate

what means that word? I've never seen it before
does it really exist in this game?

[Exarch]

lol, one step at a time

take on another full stack army, release another coupla thousand prisoners and i should be back on reliable in no time at all lol

[Alex-Warhammer]

Alliances are only good for trade rights and keeping a faction at bay. I think there might be a mod which makes alliances more about "We'll attack them together" instead of "I wont attack you for a couple turns"

[eXistenZ]

The only alliance worth getting, is with the Pope. And only if you are a catholic faction, to gain a few crosses in his opinion book. As egypt i once allied with the pope, yet he had to call a crusade on me

[Alex-Warhammer]

The only alliance worth getting, is with the Pope. And only if you are a catholic faction, to gain a few crosses in his opinion book. As egypt i once allied with the pope, yet he had to call a crusade on me

I think the pope has totally different mindsets for the head of the Papal States and the Head of the Church

[Exarch]

well for myself, the mongols are the ones with the muscle to back up themselves and their allies, so i usually try to go for an alliance with the mongols

[Silverheart]

And I do the opposite - I usually doesn´t even try making anything diplomatic with the Mongols, I just prepare my threatened cities and wait for the bastards!

I have tried allying with them before, but because I always have either of the cities that they want (Antioch or Kiev) they eventually betray me. And even if not, there will always be war between me and them eventually.
No, to me, the Mongols are more of last resort when it comes to making alliances.

[Exarch]

And I do the opposite - I usually doesn´t even try making anything diplomatic with the Mongols, I just prepare my threatened cities and wait for the bastards!

I have tried allying with them before, but because I always have either of the cities that they want (Antioch or Kiev) they eventually betray me. And even if not, there will always be war between me and them eventually.
No, to me, the Mongols are more of last resort when it comes to making alliances.

nah, mate mongols are epic for the win; i was witness to mongols helping me take damascus against the egyptians; hordes of horsearchers torming into the city, a blizzard of arrows and whatnot, all we ahd to do was sit around and wait for them to give the city to us
ally with them and get them to fight your rivals

on topic,
i'm up to 'untrustworthy' now lol