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    Israel Total War





    "'You had a vision, Your Majesty; this is what you saw: a statue, a great statue of extreme brightness stood before you, terrible to see. The head of this statue was of fine gold, its chest and arms were of silver its belly and thighs of bronze its legs of iron its feet part iron and part clay. While you were gazing, a stone broke away, untouched by any hand, and struck the statue, struck its feet of iron and clay and shattered them. Then, iron and clay, bronze, silver, and gold, all broke into pieces as fine as chaff on the threshing-floor in the summer. The wind blew them away, leaving not a trace behind. And the stone that had struck the statue grew into a great mountain, filling the whole world.'"
    -Daniel 2:31-36

    In this Modification of Rome Total War -BI the middle East is at stake and everything is fair game. Start as the nation of Judea and defend her from the Empires of Assyria, Egypt, Media, and even Persia. See to it that it is your nation becomes the Mountain and not blown away by the winds of WAR!
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    Time frame: 729- 538 BC

    Factions:


    Semitic: (4)
    Kingdom of Judah
    Kingdom of Saba (they are not federation BTW)
    Phoenician City-States (not really league, but they often allied to each others)
    Kingdom of Gerrha (another arab)

    Egyptian: (2) (since you didn't want those Egyptian cap-wearing portaits end on Israel right? )
    Egyptian Empire
    Kingdom of Axum (they are culturally closer to Egyptians)
    (since the timeline is pretty much perfect to use CA's vanilla mummy return-esque models, we'll want to use them)

    eastern: (6)
    Assyrian Empire
    Babylonian Empire
    Lydian Empire
    Kingdom of Urartu
    Kingdom of Media
    Kingdom of Persia

    indian: (2)
    Magadha Empire too far to the east of the map, true they expand much later, but)
    Kingdom of Gandhara
    Kingdom of Avanti

    greek : (4)
    Sparta (start of their peak)
    Hellenic/Ionian League
    Kyrenian League
    Kingdom of Makedonia (well, little semi barbarian kingdom in da north... but...)

    Nomad : (1)
    The Daha Horde (well, let's them become more generic menace on northren provinces)

    Team:
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    juanpablo

    2D artists/skinners:
    Strategos Lykos
    Cannibalking

    Modeller:
    Strategos Lykos

    Historians:
    Sterling
    Pericles of Athens
    Imperiumiv

    If you want to help just PM me
    Help is needed
    Last edited by juanpablo; July 15, 2011 at 08:07 PM.

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    Will moses be in it as a hero charactor and will he have powers.I think i played this game on an old age of empires.Moses was in it and it had all these factions.The chariot units were good but the other units are primitive?Would you have an expantion and add the romans later?

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    Good luck but I think the map is too big.
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    Well Moses died before entering and Joshua was the leader when they entered
    About the expansions that was what i was thinking of
    maybe one for the time of King David
    and anouther for the time of the Roamn occupation

    About the map: I was thinking of decreasing it to Israel and Egypt and maybe to Iraq cuz it would be hard to fit 7 nations in the area
    Last edited by juanpablo; November 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM.

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    I'd rather suggest the timeline in the reign of Josiah, not when the exodus happened (too complex factions)... And enlarge the map to greek and India... That way, you can portay several powers of the world in epic time of struggles as well, in much simpler terms:

    semitic=
    Kingdom of Judah
    Egyptian Empire
    Kingdom of Axum
    Hymarite League
    Phoenician League

    eastern=
    Assyrian Empire
    Babylonian Empire
    Lydian Empire
    Kingdom of Hayasdan
    Magadha Empire

    greek=
    Sparta (start of their peak)
    Hellenic/Ionian League
    Kyrenian League

    for simplicity these factions shouldnt be playable
    barbarian=
    Thracian Tribes
    Nomadic Tribes

    ...
    And... Is that too large project for ya?
    ...
    Willing to spent a year or two?
    Cut some border factions such as magadha, and focus on semitic ones?

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    I was hoping on Focusing on the Hebrews the time period that i came up with was just a thought but actually your idea makes more sense cuz there seems to be more info on it and everything and when i started looking on how to do this stuff i realized the immencity that modding really is

    Magadha Empire seems a bit to far east and would make the map huge so i dont know about them bout it sounds like a good idea
    Last edited by juanpablo; November 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM.

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    You know it's mostly fiction, right? That jews were a not very significant tribe/city state of the canaanites? If yes, I am not gonna start a flame war.



    Assyrians are semites too. Everyone there save for the hitites and medes was semitic.

    No Armenian kingdom, only maybe Urartu.

    Why go to India?

    Medes must be included.

    Sparta's peak was at the end of the pelopponesan war, 404BC.
    Last edited by Blatta Optima Maxima; November 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM.

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    ok so this is so far as the map I've done with I think most of the major factions
    the factions locations are mostly from the period 800-600 bc


    give me some suggestions
    add remove or adjust etc. factions
    Last edited by juanpablo; November 27, 2010 at 03:52 PM.

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    that is a huge map..if its Israel TW why don't you focus on Israel and the immediate area rather than Greece and India

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    This is just a really rough draft im planning on cutting a bit but i just wanted tosee whats in the general area
    Probably cut out india greece and maybe Arab Kingdoms but i think i want them
    Last edited by juanpablo; November 27, 2010 at 03:35 PM.

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    Why made arabs separated? That time until the rise of Saba, the arabian cities and kingdoms are semi unified under Hymarite hegemony.

    And egypt was united that time. Sparta are on ascendancy this time (start of their peak, not their top peak).

    We can made this mod based on Bible as the primary sources... I can help with the modelling, but search for the mappers

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    When i was researching about the arabs they seemed to be in different kingdoms allying and fighting against each other
    and egypt was in the midst of a civil war.....but maybe i got the time frame a bit off for most of this

    Josiahs reign 649–609 BC
    Egyptian Third Intermedate 1070-664 bc
    Saba didnt fully control that area until 100BC when it conquered Himyar

    So I read The reign of Josiah in the Bible (2kings 22-23, 2 Chronicals 34-35) and found alot of info into the culture of Judea and Israel and some information on Egypt and Assyria and Judeas connection to these nations
    Last edited by juanpablo; February 12, 2011 at 04:46 PM.

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    If anyone wants to help me make tis mod a reality PM I already have a working map I need about everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Isn't that we agreed on much later timeline when Judah was the only survivor between superpowers? Sorry if a bit rude. But post Solomon middle east was more bout fractured city kingdoms. I'll suggest to use either modified Rise of Persia map or make map spanning from greece, cyrene, full arabian peninsulla, into west india, since if we count the Book of Daniel as resource, the wars of the land was raging along the way.

    Btw, you can give me some concept for the models.

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    OK that makes sense Ive been looking at the RoP the other day Its good but I want to make the map I dont want to be borrowing things from other mods .

    Israel soldiers:








    armor a infantry man ould have used




    weapons:




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    - that armour is from Mycenean greek, Middle easterners use scales mostly

    I've made the light swordsmen and light spearmen for Judean/Israelite kingdoms anyway...


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    Those are cool can u make a infantry men to have the curved sword too cuz it looks sick!

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    THANK GOD (no pun intended ) there is a mod about isreal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shugo560 View Post
    THANK GOD (no pun intended ) there is a mod about isreal
    Agreed!

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    @juanpablo

    That armour you have there, that's a mycenian charioteers armour. Possibly ceremonial.


    Also, Armenia shouldn't be named Hayasdan, I would rather go with Urartu.

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