Israel Total War

[juanpablo]

Israel Total War

"'You had a vision, Your Majesty; this is what you saw: a statue, a great statue of extreme brightness stood before you, terrible to see. The head of this statue was of fine gold, its chest and arms were of silver its belly and thighs of bronze its legs of iron its feet part iron and part clay. While you were gazing, a stone broke away, untouched by any hand, and struck the statue, struck its feet of iron and clay and shattered them. Then, iron and clay, bronze, silver, and gold, all broke into pieces as fine as chaff on the threshing-floor in the summer. The wind blew them away, leaving not a trace behind. And the stone that had struck the statue grew into a great mountain, filling the whole world.'"
-Daniel 2:31-36

In this Modification of Rome Total War -BI the middle East is at stake and everything is fair game. Start as the nation of Judea and defend her from the Empires of Assyria, Egypt, Media, and even Persia. See to it that it is your nation becomes the Mountain and not blown away by the winds of WAR!
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Time frame: 729- 538 BC

Factions:


Semitic: (4)
Kingdom of Judah
Kingdom of Saba (they are not federation BTW)
Phoenician City-States (not really league, but they often allied to each others)
Kingdom of Gerrha (another arab)

Egyptian: (2) (since you didn't want those Egyptian cap-wearing portaits end on Israel right? )
Egyptian Empire
Kingdom of Axum (they are culturally closer to Egyptians)
(since the timeline is pretty much perfect to use CA's vanilla mummy return-esque models, we'll want to use them)

eastern: (6)
Assyrian Empire
Babylonian Empire
Lydian Empire
Kingdom of Urartu
Kingdom of Media
Kingdom of Persia

indian: (2)
Magadha Empire too far to the east of the map, true they expand much later, but)
Kingdom of Gandhara
Kingdom of Avanti

greek : (4)
Sparta (start of their peak)
Hellenic/Ionian League
Kyrenian League
Kingdom of Makedonia (well, little semi barbarian kingdom in da north... but...)

Nomad : (1)
The Daha Horde (well, let's them become more generic menace on northren provinces)

Team:
Mod Leader:
juanpablo

2D artists/skinners:
Strategos Lykos
Cannibalking

Modeller:
Strategos Lykos

Historians:
Sterling
Pericles of Athens
Imperiumiv

If you want to help just PM me
Help is needed

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Will moses be in it as a hero charactor and will he have powers.I think i played this game on an old age of empires.Moses was in it and it had all these factions.The chariot units were good but the other units are primitive?Would you have an expantion and add the romans later?

[Morrowgan]

Good luck but I think the map is too big.

[juanpablo]

Well Moses died before entering and Joshua was the leader when they entered
About the expansions that was what i was thinking of
maybe one for the time of King David
and anouther for the time of the Roamn occupation

About the map: I was thinking of decreasing it to Israel and Egypt and maybe to Iraq cuz it would be hard to fit 7 nations in the area

[Spike]

I'd rather suggest the timeline in the reign of Josiah, not when the exodus happened (too complex factions)... And enlarge the map to greek and India... That way, you can portay several powers of the world in epic time of struggles as well, in much simpler terms:

semitic=
Kingdom of Judah
Egyptian Empire
Kingdom of Axum
Hymarite League
Phoenician League

eastern=
Assyrian Empire
Babylonian Empire
Lydian Empire
Kingdom of Hayasdan
Magadha Empire

greek=
Sparta (start of their peak)
Hellenic/Ionian League
Kyrenian League

for simplicity these factions shouldnt be playable
barbarian=
Thracian Tribes
Nomadic Tribes

...
And... Is that too large project for ya?
...
Willing to spent a year or two?
Cut some border factions such as magadha, and focus on semitic ones?

[juanpablo]

I was hoping on Focusing on the Hebrews the time period that i came up with was just a thought but actually your idea makes more sense cuz there seems to be more info on it and everything and when i started looking on how to do this stuff i realized the immencity that modding really is

Magadha Empire seems a bit to far east and would make the map huge so i dont know about them bout it sounds like a good idea

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

You know it's mostly fiction, right? That jews were a not very significant tribe/city state of the canaanites? If yes, I am not gonna start a flame war.



Assyrians are semites too. Everyone there save for the hitites and medes was semitic.

No Armenian kingdom, only maybe Urartu.

Why go to India?

Medes must be included.

Sparta's peak was at the end of the pelopponesan war, 404BC.

[juanpablo]

ok so this is so far as the map I've done with I think most of the major factions
the factions locations are mostly from the period 800-600 bc


give me some suggestions
add remove or adjust etc. factions

[gaunty14]

that is a huge map..if its Israel TW why don't you focus on Israel and the immediate area rather than Greece and India

[juanpablo]

This is just a really rough draft im planning on cutting a bit but i just wanted tosee whats in the general area
Probably cut out india greece and maybe Arab Kingdoms but i think i want them

[Spike]

Why made arabs separated? That time until the rise of Saba, the arabian cities and kingdoms are semi unified under Hymarite hegemony.

And egypt was united that time. Sparta are on ascendancy this time (start of their peak, not their top peak).

We can made this mod based on Bible as the primary sources... I can help with the modelling, but search for the mappers

[juanpablo]

When i was researching about the arabs they seemed to be in different kingdoms allying and fighting against each other
and egypt was in the midst of a civil war.....but maybe i got the time frame a bit off for most of this

Josiahs reign 649–609 BC
Egyptian Third Intermedate 1070-664 bc
Saba didnt fully control that area until 100BC when it conquered Himyar

So I read The reign of Josiah in the Bible (2kings 22-23, 2 Chronicals 34-35) and found alot of info into the culture of Judea and Israel and some information on Egypt and Assyria and Judeas connection to these nations

[juanpablo]

If anyone wants to help me make tis mod a reality PM I already have a working map I need about everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spike]

Isn't that we agreed on much later timeline when Judah was the only survivor between superpowers? Sorry if a bit rude. But post Solomon middle east was more bout fractured city kingdoms. I'll suggest to use either modified Rise of Persia map or make map spanning from greece, cyrene, full arabian peninsulla, into west india, since if we count the Book of Daniel as resource, the wars of the land was raging along the way.

Btw, you can give me some concept for the models.

[juanpablo]

OK that makes sense Ive been looking at the RoP the other day Its good but I want to make the map I dont want to be borrowing things from other mods .

Israel soldiers:








armor a infantry man ould have used




weapons:

[Spike]

- that armour is from Mycenean greek, Middle easterners use scales mostly

I've made the light swordsmen and light spearmen for Judean/Israelite kingdoms anyway...

[juanpablo]

Those are cool can u make a infantry men to have the curved sword too cuz it looks sick!

[Shugo560]

THANK GOD (no pun intended ) there is a mod about isreal

[Sterling]

THANK GOD (no pun intended ) there is a mod about isreal

Agreed!

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

@juanpablo

That armour you have there, that's a mycenian charioteers armour. Possibly ceremonial.


Also, Armenia shouldn't be named Hayasdan, I would rather go with Urartu.