BGR?

**Imperator_OfRome** · November 22, 2010, 12:46 PM

Ok so i just downloaded SS 6.3 and i turned on BGR in the set up menu. i tried it out on my first campaign and i was completely overwhelmed by it

Can someone give a brief explanation on how it works?
And how many of you use BGR?

**Meneth** · November 22, 2010, 12:56 PM

Don't use BGR if you're not an expert at the game.
BGR tries to make the game much more realistic and challenging.

Also, remember to download the Fixes (link in my signature) if you don't want the game to crash on turn 51.

**bɑne** · November 22, 2010, 12:59 PM

Also the fixes should update the BGR description (if they aren't already in) with the links to the BGR topic & forum with all the info you need. Check the sticky in submods.

**Asterix** · November 22, 2010, 01:54 PM

BGR is incredibly confusing. Rule of thumbs that i have found- crusades sap the money out of your empire in an instant. Be careful who you invade enemies with: only war council members are allowed or that general could be killed. And mercenaries are a huge help.

**Imperator_OfRome** · November 22, 2010, 02:25 PM

Thanks for the reply's. i wont use it in my next campaign. ill be sure to download the fixes aswell. are they save game compatible?

EDIT: + Rep for all

**Meneth** · November 22, 2010, 02:29 PM

Yes.

**Ichon** · November 22, 2010, 04:44 PM

BYG created BGR to counter AI disadvantages and the human player advantages while also adding a bit more realism in some of the most important area of warfare not included in TW games- IE, political considerations within a dynasty and logistics/supplies.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106060

There are also some AARs out there that are using BGR and show some of the various details. Some of mine;

Lithuania-

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=369607

Norway-

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...71#post8479471

Crusader States-

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=346699

**Stario** · November 23, 2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Imperator_OfRome

Ok so i just downloaded SS 6.3 and i turned on BGR in the set up menu. i tried it out on my first campaign and i was completely overwhelmed by it

Can someone give a brief explanation on how it works?
And how many of you use BGR?

There is a BGR guide stickied in the SS Sub-mod section. Have a read through it. "Don't worry if you don't get it at first, you're not meant to". The game is really much more fun with BGR; you dont need to be expert at all. All you need is some patience to read through and refer to the BGR guide during your first play(s) and you will "get it" in no time.

A good tip to know is that BGR traits appear at the bottom of the Nobles/Generals/Statesmen trait list (usually the last few traits). So pay attention to your traits. For example, information such as how much money a Noble posses, how much he earns from collecting taxes/other means, and how much he is required to part with (i.e. such as in times of crusades) are all listed in the traits list of the Noble in question. Also during certain times your Monarch will set new laws or "codes of behaviour for a Nobleman". For example, a King high in Chivalry will eventually pass codes of behaviours that forbid Generals from executing prisoners, given time, as your Monarch tightens his rein of power over his Empire certain benefits will be gained only to Generals associated with certain rank/status; i.e. Nobles/Generals who are also members of the War Council carry with this title certain benefits over regular Nobles/Generals as the game progresses etc. My point being always pay attention to your Kings/faction leaders orders as disobeying can lead to severe punishment(s) onto the Noble in question (both physical and/or financial). Lastly, never let your Nobles go Bankrupt, bad things happen to Bankrupt Gentleman...Now go out there and have fun playing BGR!

**Imperator_OfRome** · November 23, 2010, 11:27 AM

thanks for the info

im going to finish my current england campaign and then try another with BGR after doing a trial campaign just to get to grips with it.

+ rep

**Asterix** · November 23, 2010, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Vaultdwella

Lastly, never let your Nobles go Bankrupt, bad things happen to Bankrupt Gentleman...Now go out there and have fun playing BGR!

such as?

**ly0_ly0** · November 23, 2010, 05:08 PM

They go rebel and so does their army.

**Tears of Destiny** · November 23, 2010, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ly0_ly0

They go rebel and so does their army.

Good way to get rid of an unwanted son though...

**Ichon** · November 23, 2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tears of Destiny

Good way to get rid of an unwanted son though...

Not really... the King pays the creditors back by buying their land and titles automatically if the FM can't pay back. Easier to put on a boat and fight pirates or just wait until really sick then fight rebels for unwanted FMs.

**Asterix** · November 23, 2010, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by ly0_ly0

They go rebel and so does their army.

i hate it when they do that. General, do you really think a barely functioning group of dirt-poor rebels in the backwaters of North France and Scandinavia will give you a better chance to fame and glory than my strong, well-established, poised-to-conquer-the-world empire? i mean sheesh!

**Tears of Destiny** · November 23, 2010, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Asterix

i hate it when they do that. General, do you really think a barely functioning group of dirt-poor rebels in the backwaters of North France and Scandinavia will give you a better chance to fame and glory than my strong, well-established, poised-to-conquer-the-world empire? i mean sheesh!

Robin Hood did it!

**Ichon** · November 23, 2010, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Asterix

i hate it when they do that. General, do you really think a barely functioning group of dirt-poor rebels in the backwaters of North France and Scandinavia will give you a better chance to fame and glory than my strong, well-established, poised-to-conquer-the-world empire? i mean sheesh!

What was Caesers quote? "I would rather be chief of some mountain village than 2nd in Rome." Roughly anyway. Also- you can lose castles and cities as well if you don't notice your general gets rebel traits he loses all movement points and takes the city/castle he is governor of. I had that happen 2nd game of BGR where as Denmark 2 rebel generals took Kalmar and Visby in 1 turn.

**Asterix** · November 24, 2010, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ichon

What was Caesers quote? "I would rather be chief of some mountain village than 2nd in Rome." Roughly anyway. Also- you can lose castles and cities as well if you don't notice your general gets rebel traits he loses all movement points and takes the city/castle he is governor of. I had that happen 2nd game of BGR where as Denmark 2 rebel generals took Kalmar and Visby in 1 turn.

i think the quote had something to do with a Gallic village...
and thanks for the second bit. i'll keep that in mind. +rep.
EDIT: in a bit. i've given out too much rep. stupid limit....