evolution theory still have alot of holes and atheists shouldent be so proud of it

[frank_garrett]

i dont believe in the bible and i dont know if there is god but there are many holes and evolution thoery like the quick jump in intiligent between the cave people who basiclly are animals to people who can think by themselves who are awere to themeselves and know how to build advanced societies.

there is still not explanetion to this yet. no other speicies evolved into something that even close to us. i can give you exemples of the ancient bears who evolved into modern bears but basiclly those were phisical changes and not in the mind.

and there are many exemples. no other animals evolved into something as smart as humans. now the thoery says human were evolvoed from ancient apes. but ancient apes werent the only animals on the planet.

thats why believing that aliens not neccerely created us but may used genetical enginiring to develop a smart speicies out of the ancient man that were basiclly an animal is possible. its also a 100% science.

people think its funny because we used to make fun of outter space. thats in our colture.

there is nothing worng with thinking like that

[Manco]

Ever heard of a spell check?

You simply detach the mind from the physical body, that's a major mistake.
For example the usage of tools and hands and the eating of cooked food meant that our jaws didn't have to be so strong. Which meant that our skulls didn't need to provide space for powerful jaw muscles, which meant more room for the brain. Which ultimately meant a more powerful brain capable of for example abstract thought.
That's also one of the main reasons other animals never became sapient by the way.

It's also not a quick jump. Simply looking at the history of toolmaking shows that increased intelligence came very gradual.

Your theory about aliens isn't science at all either. It's an easily dismissable hypothesis at most, plus it ignores that that alien species itself must have evolved its intelligence at some point.

[Biggreenfellow]

Oh good Lord, not Frank again....

First of all: It was not a quick jump. Not by a long shot. The first primates appeared around 65 MILLION years ago. The first bipedal hominins appeared 6 MILLION years ago, and the first of the Homo genus (to which we Homo sapiens belong) appeared 2 MILLION years ago. The first stone tools appeared around 2.5 MILLION years ago.

Why did we evolve? Because during our little 'survival of the fittest' do, brains became a wanted commodity. A selection took place that favoured tool-use and things like that. So the guys that were the best with that got more kids, which meant that the 'good' genes survived, and the 'bad' genes did not. But did we go in one straight line all the way to Homo sapien? We did not; in fact, a lot of Australopithecus and Homo species rose up and died out again without evolving further.

Now, why did the other animals not evolve into sapiens? Because, despite what a lot of people seem to think, intelligence is not the best thing on this planet. It's not something God gave us because he liked us so much and to make us master of the world. It's a tool, and other animals don't need intelligence to be successful, they have other tools at their disposal: stamina, strength, speed, ability to fly, the list goes on.

And finally: Aliens, Frank?! Really?! ALIENS?! First of all: It's sci-fi, not science. Second, there is no prove, NOTHING to even REMOTELY imply that it might be even a DISTANT POSSIBILITY that there was Alien involvement. Therefore, it's not '100% science', because science, real science, is backed up with evidence and proof.

[frank_garrett]

Oh good Lord, not Frank again....

And finally: Aliens, Frank?! Really?! ALIENS?! First of all: It's sci-fi, not science. Second, there is no prove, NOTHING to even REMOTELY imply that it might be even a DISTANT POSSIBILITY that there was Alien involvement. Therefore, it's not '100% science', because science, real science, is backed up with evidence and proof.

yes ALIENS. come one because there are sc-fi movies about it it makes it unreal? how can someone who say he believe in science can say aliesnt dosent exist. or think of them as something that is not proportinal. thats should be a claim of religious people.

you must be really ignorent to think that we are the only planet with lifes in the universe.or to think our planet was never discoverd by other aliens.

yes i do believe aliens came to earth in ancient times and were basiclly the reason for the major evolution of the humans.

just like we created some hibrids in animals such as horses,big cats (tiger and lion,tiger and leapord) we were thier animals.

i do belive in evolution from a brainless monkey to a smarter ape-man. but no i do not believe we could have reach building societies by our selves. even smarter ape-man werent even close to the modern man in thinking.

there is no condition that can create such a thing and the proofs for that are many animals that dident evolved to anything close to the human logic.

ho and 65 milion years ago was still the ice age and no ancient man lived in it. he couldent.

now for the proofs. wall paintings and statues from the sumerian colture:

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ancient skull that were discoverd. that looks nothing like any ancient man:

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so that is not really a theory without any proofs like you say. and were the proofs to your way of thinking?

[Biggreenfellow]

yes ALIENS. come one because there are sc-fi movies about it it makes it unreal? how can someone who say he believe in science can say aliesnt dosent exist. or think of them as something that is not proportinal. thats should be a claim of religious people.

you must be really ignorent to think that we are the only planet with lifes in the universe.or to think our planet was never discoverd by other aliens.

I never said I do not believe aliens exist. I believe they do. But I do not believe they meddled with our gene-pool and created the train of evolution.

yes i do believe aliens came to earth in ancient times and were basiclly the reason for the major evolution of the humans.

just like we created some hibrids in animals such as horses,big cats (tiger and lion,tiger and leapord) we were thier animals.

i do belive in evolution from a brainless monkey to a smarter ape-man. but no i do not believe we could have reach building societies by our selves. even smarter ape-man werent even close to the modern man in thinking.

there is no condition that can create such a thing and the proofs for that are many animals that dident evolved to anything close to the human logic.

Yes, there is such a condition. It is called evolution.

Between Manco and myself, we have already given a few reasons as to why other animals did not reach our level of intellect, but you have, as usual, decided to ignore all the bits that you do not like and pretend we never said them. Well, we did. Scroll up, look at the texts again. There's a good boy.

ho and 65 milion years ago was still the ice age and no ancient man lived in it. he couldent.

Ehm, no, there was no ice-age then. And I never said anything about ancient man, I said PRIMATES. You know, apes, monkeys and hominins? We are hominins, so we are primates, but primates are not necessarily homonins. In the beginning, there were only apes.

now for the proofs. wall paintings and statues from the sumerian colture:

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ancient skull that were discoverd. that looks nothing like any ancient man:

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so that is not really a theory without any proofs like you say. and were the proofs to your way of thinking?

LOL you call that proof?! Let's start with the skull: It's WELL KNOWN that certain cultures deformed their children's skulls by tying ropes around their heads, so that the skull, when it expanded and grew, turned into a conical shape.

Now, your figurines and other art pieces: I can produce ancient drawings of dragons, sphinxes, three-headed dogs, flying horses and giants. Yet somehow, nobody would take me serious if I'd say I was nearly thrown of a mountain by a sphinx during my vacation in Greece because I couldn't answer the damned woman's riddle.

The proof of my 'way of thinking' are both plentiful and conclusive: FOSSILS!

[Khassaki]

there is no condition that can create such a thing and the proofs for that are many animals that dident evolved to anything close to the human logic.

Like you for example

ho and 65 milion years ago was still the ice age and no ancient man lived in it. he couldent.

Humm... no.

I was going to include a link but I don't think his tiny brain would be able to process the information.

[Manco]

This is hilarious. We KNOW how that skull is formed. Hell, we know of several human cultures who had similar customs.
In fact that skull you showed is of the very human Paracas society if I'm not mistaken.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

Nice to meet you, Frank_Garret.
TWC has been a bit short on loons lately, good to know there's still fresh meat.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Why are all the creationist cheerleaders so bad on spelling... any chance that they are all the same person?

[Nyxos]

Why are all the creationist cheerleaders so bad on spelling... any chance that they are all the same person?

they just all went to the same "school", the kind where they don't teach you grammar and such.

[Biggreenfellow]

they just all went to the same "school", the kind where they don't teach you grammar and such.

Exactly. They all get to go to the same school, because they are 'special'.

[Lord Romanus III]

Now, I am one for the theory of evolition, but I am going to argue in favor of the loon, for the lulz. How can you conclude that aliens do not exist? With a general lack of scientific knowledge and ignorance in general about our universe (we are just now getting to actually look at anitmatter, for one) you cannot simply 'conclude' that there are no aliens. The skull was a dumb example, but what of all the pictures? How is it that such a phenomenom has occured all throughout the world? How is it that almost every major culture has images of an alien and they generally look the same?

[nasher168]

Now, I am one for the theory of evolition, but I am going to argue in favor of the loon, for the lulz. How can you conclude that aliens do not exist?

They probably do exist, simply based on probability. After all, we arose spontaneously, so they presumably will on other worlds, too.
However, the kind postulated here is an extraordinary claim and absolutely needs extraordinary evidence. Science does not advance by saying "but you can't prove this ISN'T happening.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but unless one has damn good evidence, you'd do better to dismiss the idea without further thought until new evidence in favour of the position can come to light. The aliens hypothesis put forward by the OP has no peer-reviewed, credible evidence and so should be ignored as such.

[MathiasOfAthens]

No one saying aliens havnt visited the planet before... god knows how many ufos people claim to see in the last century, but Did they seed our planet, prob not.

[Copperknickers II]

i dont believe in the bible and i dont know if there is god but there are many holes and evolution thoery like the quick jump in intiligent between the cave people who basiclly are animals to people who can think by themselves who are awere to themeselves and know how to build advanced societies.

It wasn't a quick jump, the evolution of the mind began as early as chimps, over four million years ago, who have the basic brain function for tools and language, through to early hominids, with spoken language and strategical survival methods, then to late hominids with true curiosity and intellect.

there is still not explanetion to this yet. no other speicies evolved into something that even close to us. i can give you exemples of the ancient bears who evolved into modern bears but basiclly those were phisical changes and not in the mind.

Ants, bees and termites have relatively advanced societies with different classes and the ability to build buildings. That's a pretty big leap from flies. Then we have things like whales and dolphins, which are capable of vocal communication and work in teams to catch fish. Even cats show massively greater intellects than primitive mouse-like mammals. Besides, there had to be a species to develop the intellect first. In a thousand trillion years when humans have evolved beyond the need for a physical body, they will look back on us as the very first primitive species to develop a primordial version of a mind (although they have only to look at Jade Goody and George Bush to see just how far we have yet to go before we can boast of actual intelligence as a species.)

thats why believing that aliens not neccerely created us but may used genetical enginiring to develop a smart speicies out of the ancient man that were basiclly an animal is possible.

But how did the aliens get smart enough to invent genetic engineering? Evolution must have created intelligence, the only alternative is creationism and that doesn't answer the question of where intelligence came from.

[Gordon Freynman]

This thread is filled with so much stupid that I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist. Good luck everyone.

[Vagn]

i dont believe in the bible and i dont know if there is god but there are many holes and evolution thoery like the quick jump in intiligent between the cave people who basiclly are animals to people who can think by themselves who are awere to themeselves and know how to build advanced societies.

there is still not explanetion to this yet. no other speicies evolved into something that even close to us. i can give you exemples of the ancient bears who evolved into modern bears but basiclly those were phisical changes and not in the mind.

and there are many exemples. no other animals evolved into something as smart as humans. now the thoery says human were evolvoed from ancient apes. but ancient apes werent the only animals on the planet.

Have you not heard of neanderthal man? We have got an evolutionary record for the development of humans, including brain capacity which is a indicator of intelligence when compared to the body size. The evolutionary history of Homo sapien sapien is actually fairly well documented, we know when the Homo genus first appeared, and also know when the first tools developed. Whilst other animals do not have intelligence of an equal level to humans, this isn't suprising, two species with high intelligence would inevitably compete with each other for resources, and eventually one species would drive the other extinct, this is quite obvious.

thats why believing that aliens not neccerely created us but may used genetical enginiring to develop a smart speicies out of the ancient man that were basiclly an animal is possible. its also a 100% science.

people think its funny because we used to make fun of outter space. thats in our colture.

there is nothing worng with thinking like that

There is, it's pseudoscience.
There is absolutely no evidence to support that hypothesis, and there's only one person who ever seriously suggested it, Erich von Daniken. His 'evidence' is extremely flawed. Carl Sagan, the famous physicist, who also wrote about how man could conceivably discover life floating in the clouds of Jupiter dismissed his claims as not having the extraordinary evidence such claims would require.

I, as a physics student, acknowledge that it is likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe, and I think there is. However I doubt it has actually come in contact with us to modify our genetics.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Homo Neanderthalensis blows this discussion out of the water.

A separate species developed intelligence on the level of homo sapiens sapiens. TWO species, on the same planet, on different evolutionary branches of the tree of life. /thread

[MathiasOfAthens]

Too bad they all died out or mixed with homo sapians in europe but I think its proven they didnt, I forget.

[Col. Tartleton]

Let me explain "Aliens" to you Frank. The belief in Aliens/Angels/Sky Devils/Monsters etc is believe it or not, evidence for evolution. You see, our modern fears are evolutions of older fears and simply reflect the human psyche.

You see back in the old days we were afraid of the unknown. Be it birds in the sky, serpents in the grass, lions, tigers, and especially bears. We're afraid of things that don't look like humans. Spiders, worms, fish, sharks, etc. We're afraid of death to the point we believe we go somewhere after we die. Heck, we're afraid of death to the point we're afraid of the dead not really being dead.

Aliens are simply a reflection of this. Look, either we're seriously screwed because aliens are all over the place and have been forever, or we've been imagining these sorts of things forever.

Think about it, you look at a sci fi movie and they'll have a teleporter. Well teleportation has been described in annals of magic forever. Wormholes? Magic portals and Narnia wardrobes. Aliens? Daemons? Ghosts? Birds of prey? Reptilian predators?

Our brains are simply creating new monsters to be afraid of. We're an extremely paranoid animal (its why we're so successful) and as such when we stop having predators our psyche projects them. Have you ever been in the dark (especially as a child) and imagined something waiting there about to grab your leg? That sickly feeling of your nerves? Fight or flight hovering but a second away from first contact?


Aliens? The monster in your closet? Is there really a difference? We're scared less of things that don't exist because most of the things we needed to be afraid of aren't scary to us anymore. As technology and understanding advances we come back to the same archetypes and repaint them as something even more awful. What used to be magic we're now at the cusp of understanding, so now rather then being evil magic its evil supertechnology. But its the same damn thing.