Scientology!

[Pyrrus]

I just seen a south park episode i hadn't seen before about the religeon of scientology, of which Tom Cruise and John Travolta are members. I had heard a little about this cult religeon but in the episode is claims that scientologists actually believe this story about these aliens that were dropped in the volcanos in earth and their souls brainwashed. They then infected humans causing all pain and suffering that exists. It says that this is supposed to be secret teaching and is only taught after several years. I know south park is a satyrical cartoon, that mocks everything and is not based on truth, but it can be effective in portraying opposed views at times, all be it in a exaggerated mannor. I was just wondering if anyone knows if this is true? It just seems too stupid for anyone to believe.

The religeon seems a bit of a joke and is based on the teaching of L. Ron Howard, a science fiction writer. They believe in reincarnation and spiritual power and aim to rid the world of all violence and suffering. Basically post-modern hippies

The South Park episode is about Tom Cruise "coming out of the closet". He goes in the closet because Stan, whom he thinks is the reincarnation of L Ron Howard, says hes not a good actor. It also mainly claims Scientology to be a world wide scam, which it most likely is.

Here's the home page http://www.scientology.org/

[Atheist Peace]

It's absolutely as plausible as every other religion on the planet, and the concept of every deity humans have ever invented. If you condemn this as stupid, you are doing the same to christianity, judaism, islam, etc.

By the way, hippies reached prominence in the 1960's, which is, at least relatively, modern.

[Francisco Montana]

It's absolutely as plausible as every other religion on the planet, and the concept of every deity humans have ever invented. If you condemn this as stupid, you are doing the same to christianity, judaism, islam, etc.

By the way, hippies reached prominence in the 1960's, which is, at least relatively, modern.

The part that seperates this from other 'classical' religions, IMO, is the silly 'levels' that you have to pay astronomical amounts of money to obtain.

"I paid 1 million dollars, so I'm more enlightened than you"..... IMHO it's nothing more than another "triangle' scheme.

[Atheist Peace]

The part that seperates this from other 'classical' religions, IMO, is the silly 'levels' that you have to pay astronomical amounts of money to obtain.

"I paid 1 million dollars, so I'm more enlightened than you"..... IMHO it's nothing more than another "triangle' scheme.

Yes, yes, but that doesn't invalidate or seperate the beliefs. They are just as valid (invalid, really, though) as every other religion and have the exact same amount of proof, zero.

[Spiff]

Other religions have the edge in that history has clouded their exact origins, making it more plausible that they have divine origins, or at least more difficult to disprove completely. Scientology on the other hand is a scam created by a science fiction writer to make money at others expense, if someone could show me of any good scientology has ever done for humanity i'd gladly change my harsh criticism.

its all so stupid..

If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.

Aside from the mythology surrounding the whole thing, which members may or may not believe in as far as i know, it is also a lifestyle which chooses to attack psychiatry and drugs which it uses as treatment.

As far as i know its more about the practical lifestyle and less about the crazy mythology

[Atheist Peace]

Other religions have the edge in that history has clouded their exact origins, making it more plausible that they have divine origins, or at least more difficult to disprove completely. Scientology on the other hand is a scam created by a science fiction writer to make money at others expense

Prove it.

[MaximiIian]

I had heard a little about this cult religeon
Here's the home page http://www.scientology.org/

They're a bunch of nuts, if you ask me; but, as AP said, they're just as crazy and moronic as every other religion.
Scientologists are under close observation by the German federal government, who has officially declared scientology to be a cult. I think this is a step in the right direction, same with thier anti-nazi legal policies.

[Francisco Montana]

they're just as crazy and moronic as every other religion

This is exactly the type of thing that I just don't understand. It's also, you may not know, exactly the type of 'flame' that's been recently discussed in the Curia. Crazy and Moronic.

Please not[e] that flaming can include attacking other people's arguments as well as attacking the person themselves. If you say that, for instance, [a member] believes in nutjob conspiracy theories, you may as well say he wears tinfoil hats himself. Which some people have said as well. Either way, don't, or you will get warned.

Looking beyond the fact that you just flamed alot of people of faith here with that language, even if we took your words down a tone and said something like "misguided" you are still assuming you are right and they are wrong.

I've often wondered how one can be so sure of something. So sure, in fact, to be insulting to those who don't agree with them. And all the while, nobody here can prove who's actually] the 'misguided' one.

I do believe in God. Call me niave, call me oldfashioned, crazy, moronic, what have you.

I also happen to agree that some are fooled into believing some outlandish things around here. But it works both ways on every issue.

So let's leave out name calling like "Crazy and Moronic" and keep it to a civil level of resepect.

What you call crazy some may call comforting. What you call moronic others may call love.


It's all in how you look at it.


On topic, I do believe the Scientologists are 'misguided'. But they aren't the only ones....

[Simetrical]

It's also, you may not know, exactly the type of 'flame' that's been recently discussed in the Curia. Crazy and Moronic.

Please not[e] that flaming can include attacking other people's arguments as well as attacking the person themselves. If you say that, for instance, [a member] believes in nutjob conspiracy theories, you may as well say he wears tinfoil hats himself. Which some people have said as well. Either way, don't, or you will get warned.

When we get a Scientologist member, then what Hapsburg said will be flaming. Saying you believe [insert your favorite political figure here] is an idiot isn't flaming either.

[Francisco Montana]

When we get a Scientologist member, then what Hapsburg said will be flaming. Saying you believe [insert your favorite political figure here] is an idiot isn't flaming either.

I guess Muslims, Jews and Christians and 'every other religion' don't count? If you read his post he's referring to them.

I'll assume you missed that part.

[Kanaric]

I knew a lot about scientology (besides the southpark "This is actually what they believe" thing) before that southpark episode. After seeing that though it makes me go online and double check, i literally can't understand how they can believe this its literally insane.

That southpark episode is the perfect visual example of what I think of it. Nothing more needs to be said and it couldn't be said any better, it would be literally impossible for me to describe it more accurately.

Also Atheist, their is a difference between real religions, IE. Islam, Christianity, etc, and pyramid schemes. You may be critical of all religions but you should be able to see this.

[Atheist Peace]

I knew a lot about scientology (besides the southpark "This is actually what they believe" thing) before that southpark episode. After seeing that though it makes me go online and double check, i literally can't understand how they can believe this its literally insane.

That southpark episode is the perfect visual example of what I think of it. Nothing more needs to be said and it couldn't be said any better, it would be literally impossible for me to describe it more accurately.

Also Atheist, their is a difference between real religions, IE. Islam, Christianity, etc, and pyramid schemes. You may be critical of all religions but you should be able to see this.

Even if Scientology is just a scheme (which it probably is), the beliefs it consists of are still just as valid as those of christianity, islam, judaism, paganism, etc.

[RZZZA]

"Even if Scientology is just a scheme (which it probably is), the beliefs it consists of are still just as valid as those of christianity, islam, judaism, paganism, etc."


...which is why Religion is like all good things in this world, only safe in small doses...

[Kscott]

Even if Scientology is just a scheme (which it probably is), the beliefs it consists of are still just as valid as those of christianity, islam, judaism, paganism, etc.

so the the preachings of a pacifist who lived by any standards is the same as a religion that is obviously just a pyramid scheme for people to make money..

[danzig]

Even if Scientology is just a scheme (which it probably is), the beliefs it consists of are still just as valid as those of christianity, islam, judaism, paganism, etc.

Dunno how you can say that, the basic ideals behind all those religious are ones generally accepted by all people as a 'moral code' even if you cant stand the crap the catholic church dishes out or the distortions by some muslims of 'teachings' the basic ideas of those religious are pretty much the way we run society. The religions are generally aligned with the moral code of how people live, atleast the 'big' stuff murder, stealing etc etc. How in the world does scientology compare to this or even approach this? Scientology is about as much of a religion as the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a credible diety. I think your confusing being tolerant of others persons beliefs with the inability to just say this is stupid and a sham.

[Kscott]

no, knowing AP he means ALL religions are stupid and a sham.

not this stuff isnt...

[bigfootedfred]

Dunno how you can say that, the basic ideals behind all those religious are ones generally accepted by all people as a 'moral code' even if you cant stand the crap the catholic church dishes out or the distortions by some muslims of 'teachings' the basic ideas of those religious are pretty much the way we run society. The religions are generally aligned with the moral code of how people live, atleast the 'big' stuff murder, stealing etc etc. How in the world does scientology compare to this or even approach this? Scientology is about as much of a religion as the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a credible diety. I think your confusing being tolerant of others persons beliefs with the inability to just say this is stupid and a sham.

well, its actully a reconqzied religion, so...
you can say that as your opinion of it, same as i would say i dont belive in christianity or islam ect.

but...legally, its as much a religion as any other.

so, like i cant simply state as a fact that christainty is all bs, its my opinion
we must do the same for sceintology.

to me, nearly all relgions make ridiclous claims, so why should this be any different.
and in classic relgoius stlye, it makes its patrons pay.
religions have done that for over 4,000 years.

[Kanaric]

Anyone who thinks that "Chrisitanity and scientology is the same thing" should seriously research more about scientology as they have missed its point completely. Also i dont understand how Hapsburg, a monarchist, can flame christianity or any religion, lol. He seems to of missed the whole concept of monarchy, as they all clain some sort of divine related right to rule. ESPECIALLY the Roman Catholic Hapsburgh dynasty.

[Kanaric]

Their is a difference though. Ideas in Christianity are taken from a LONG line of neighboring religions, and Scientology is taken from REALLY BAD science fiction. Seriously the ideas in that would be rejected from 1930s sci-fi its so terrible. Lost in Space and Buck Rogers would make a better religion than this.

Also I know many things in religions are ridiculous. Like Christianity with its "comitties" to decide what goes into the bible, etc. At least most things in the bible are more like metaphors on how to live and not ment to be taken as fact. Scientology is just the opposite.

[bigfootedfred]

In Scientology doctrine, Xenu (also Xemu) is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause problems today. These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant. The story of Xenu is part of a much wider range of Scientology beliefs in extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in Earthly events, collectively described as space opera by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.

Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, famously warning that R6 was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it." The Xenu story was the start of the use of the volcano as a common symbol of Scientology and Dianetics from 1968 to the present day.

Much of the criticism of the Church of Scientology focuses on the story of Xenu. The Church has tried to keep Xenu confidential; critics claim revealing the story is in the public interest, given the high prices charged for OT III. The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of both copyright and trade secrecy. Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public.

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