Pope says condoms are "ok" in some cases

[Magefsx]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11804398
Who can honestly tell me they saw that coming....
Because I most certainly didn't, especially coming from who could be seen as one of the more conservative popes of our time!

Here's a comment I found- I think the first half is more relevant to a discussion; the second half is the commentators religious view. I being a catholic myself am somewhat surprised that Benedict would ever say this! In my opinion, its neither good nor bad for the church, perhaps a little more reasonable and in the case given sticks to church teaching.

Just wait for this to be misrepresented all over the world. The Pope is not giving the green light to contraception, but is merely saying that in certain very extreme circumstances it may be the lesser of two evils. The text actually gives the following example:

“There may be justified individual cases, for example when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be ... a first bit of responsibility, to re-develop the understanding that not everything is permitted and that one may not do everything one wishes."

In relation to AIDS, the Pope’s stance remains that condoms are not the solution and can even aggravate the problem. For the good of personal sexual relationships, too, the Church’s view is that contraception is intrinsically wrong. Malcolm Muggeridge commented that “it was the Catholic Church's firm stand against contraception and abortion which finally made me decide to become a Catholic ... The Church's stand is absolutely correct. It is to its eternal honour that it opposed contraception … . I think, historically, people will say it was a very gallant effort to prevent a moral disaster”.

The world is waking up to the holocaust of abortion, with its evil and eugenic roots, and there are some who are beginning to see that the Church is also correct in relation to contraception.

[Strelok]

Would of been nice if he said that the last time he was in Africa.

[Magefsx]

Indeed. I do wonder what could have caused the change in direction though

[rabenschnabel]

Good news for the kids.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Good news for the kids.

Ah man I saw this post and it seriously took me like a half hour to get it.

Good job Rabenschnable.

[DAVIDE]

Indeed. I do wonder what could have caused the change in direction though

Just the loss of credibility Razinger and Roman church lost in the last months after scandals.

[Squiggle]

Maybe we'll see a turnaround in Africa's aid rates. Finally...

[MathiasOfAthens]

Maybe we'll see a turnaround in Africa's aid rates. Finally...

Prob too late.

" Just wait for this to be misrepresented all over the world. The Pope is not giving the green light to contraception, but is merely saying that in certain very extreme circumstances it may be the lesser of two evils. The text actually gives the following example:......"

Magefsx,

Woah up there! The lesser of two evils? Is the Roman Catholic church under its head the Pope not the living embodiment of God on earth, itself supposed to be perfect in that each adherent is born again or righteous before God, that now it allows evil into where God is supposed to be? What a belter of a statement.

Wow, can you not turn on your secular side at once during any topic. No one else here believes the POPE is the living embodiment of God.

[basics]

" Wow, can you not turn on your secular side at once during any topic. No one else here believes the POPE is the living embodiment of God. "

MathiasOfAthens,

Mathias, when it comes down to the souls of men and women there is no secular side. Millions of Roman Catholics dwell on every word that comes out of the Vatican, they rely on that word as being of God, so it impossible that they should just accept as a given what is being said here when it goes against the very grain that is Rome and what has been ingrained in them from their baptisms on.

I never have held the view that the beginnings of life are sacred as anyone here can witness. Neither have I ever accepted that a priesthood can take what is sacred to make it more sacred by baptising it, male or female, and then witness the numbers that fall away into atheism when they're supposed to belong to God as is seen in these threads. From the fall of man all are sinners by inheritence, all fall short of the glory of God so where is the sacredness in that?

So, if a sinner uses contraception he or she does it because they are sinners just as if a Christian uses contraceptives he or she does it as Christians the only difference between them is that the former are still in their sins and the latter their sins taken away by the blood of Christ. Contraception does not murder, let's be clear about that. There may be a case for abortion but that case is tenuous at best if only because there is an argument about when life actually begins.

Therefore when a man speaking as God on earth weakens the original dogma to allow for the lesser of two evils how can anyone stand back and accept that this really comes from God? How can there be two evils since evil is sin and sin does not have any categories of small and large? Oh, it may well be nice that the secularist thinks this is a step in the right direction, but then the secularist cannot possibly give much thought to his own soul.

As Jesus once said, there is no sitting on the fence, one is either for Him or one is not. I haven't spent the last twenty-eight years of my new life in Christ to go back up onto any fence.

[Col. Tartleton]

Let's read this as a promotion of free sex and homosexual behavior and contraception instead of a pragmatic outlook


Basically we should look at this as the Pope not thinking gay people are all going to hell. That AIDS is not divine punishment for immoral behavior. That homosexual sex is not the same as heterosexual sex. That there isn't a one size fits all solution for our problems. Gay people will have sex. Prostitutes will have sex. He can't stop that. He doesn't think they deserve to die for it.

However he's basically undermined what we thought they were all about. So while I think this is a positive development the floodgates have been opened whether he likes them or not.

The Church will now tolerate homosexuality.
The Church will now tolerate prostitution.
The Church will now tolerate contraception.
The Church will now tolerate pedophilia.

Why is this a good thing?

Because it's what Bible teaches.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Ezekiel 33:11, "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel."

The point is that you need to try your best to stop. That's all they wanted. There is no victory in a dead sinner. That's ultimate failure. Better to be sinning and alive that one might stop then lost and dead.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Sounds fair to me, GG Pope.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Who cares about what the Church says?

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Who cares about what the Church says?

Lots of poor people in Africa and Latin America mostly.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Like when molesting children ???

Good news for the kids.

GODDAMIT

[Copperknickers II]

I'm with the Pope on this one: condoms are not to be encouraged except as an absolute last resort in extreme circumstances, abstinence is the best way of preventing HIV from spreading and contraception only gives the message that wild orgying is fine as long as you have a bit of rubber, which is immoral.

[Manco]

I'm with the Pope on this one: condoms are not to be encouraged except as an absolute last resort in extreme circumstances, abstinence is the best way of preventing HIV from spreading and contraception only gives the message that wild orgying is fine as long as you have a bit of rubber, which is immoral.

What's immoral about an orgy, supposing all are willing and able-minded participants?

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

What's immoral about an orgy, supposing all are willing and able-minded participants?

I find it entertaining that people forward these inane arguments that all is fine as long as the old individualistic excuse holds on. In a society where all moral standards are a farce and hypocritical and everything is permitted as long as you don't get caught, this is what we have been reduced to. No wonder that the Police in the US unveils one new Ponzi scheme every day together with the usual barbarities of the genre.

[basics]

" Just wait for this to be misrepresented all over the world. The Pope is not giving the green light to contraception, but is merely saying that in certain very extreme circumstances it may be the lesser of two evils. The text actually gives the following example:......"

Magefsx,

Woah up there! The lesser of two evils? Is the Roman Catholic church under its head the Pope not the living embodiment of God on earth, itself supposed to be perfect in that each adherent is born again or righteous before God, that now it allows evil into where God is supposed to be? What a belter of a statement.

[Magefsx]

" Just wait for this to be misrepresented all over the world. The Pope is not giving the green light to contraception, but is merely saying that in certain very extreme circumstances it may be the lesser of two evils. The text actually gives the following example:......"

Magefsx,

Woah up there! The lesser of two evils? Is the Roman Catholic church under its head the Pope not the living embodiment of God on earth, itself supposed to be perfect in that each adherent is born again or righteous before God, that now it allows evil into where God is supposed to be? What a belter of a statement.

The pope is not the living enbodyment of the God. Merely someone who's supposed to guide, being chosen by God through the cardinals.

[basics]

" The pope is not the living enbodyment of the God. Merely someone who's supposed to guide, being chosen by God through the cardinals. "

Magefsx,

I am not a Roman Catholic but I do know that their claims are based on the Pope being exactly that. Why then is he called the Holy Father when according to Jesus no man is to call anyone but God Father? Since there never was a college of cardinals in all Scripture but it is from the same word that the Pope assumes his office then his claims can only be based on what he thinks Jesus Christ actually said to Peter, the cardinals having absolutely nothing to do with it.