Settlement population upgrade

[IZob]

In the descr_settlement_mechanics.xml file within the data folder, theres a bottom section that involves the population levels for settlements. Theres the base population level (called 'base') and the population level required to upgrade the population (called 'upgrade').

I have my current settings as below:

   <population_levels>
      <!-- city -->
      <level name="village"   base="500"  upgrade="1000"  min="100"  max="1500"/>
      <level name="town"   base="1000"  upgrade="3000"  min="100"  max="4000"/>
      <level name="large_town"  base="3000"  upgrade="9000"  min="100"  max="12000"/>
      <level name="city"   base="9000"  upgrade="22000"  min="100"  max="31000"/>
      <level name="large_city"  base="22000"  upgrade="38000"  min="100"  max="60000"/>
      <level name="huge_city"   base="38000"    min="100"  max="100000"/>
      <!-- castle -->
      <level name="moot_and_bailey"  base="500"  upgrade="800"  min="100"  max="1300"/>
      <level name="wooden_castle" base="800"  upgrade="1500"  min="100"  max="2300"/>
      <level name="castle"   base="1500"  upgrade="4500"  min="100"  max="6000"/>
      <level name="fortress"   base="4500"  upgrade="11000"  min="100" max="15500"/>
      <level name="citadel"   base="11000"  upgrade="20000"  min="100"  max="50000"/>
   </population_levels>

My problem is that the population levels in the file have seemed to make no change in the game. For instanc, I have a wooden castle set at 1200 population. I shouldn't be able to upgrade the settlement until the population reaches 1500 but for some reason, if I have enough money I can upgrade the settlement, irrelevant of the population size. Is there another file that could be effecting the upgrade level? I need help plz :S

[Squid]

One of two likely things, one you aren't running a config file with io_first or two, you updated the wooden_castle line but not the castle line. The wooden castle can upgrade at 1200, but if you don't update castle as well it can be built until its minimum population is reached.

[IZob]

Here are the improtant parts of my Configuration.cfg file:

[features]
editor  = true
mod = mods/grand_campaign
[log] 
to = logs/M2TW.system.log.txt 
level = * trace
[io]
file_first = true

When you were mentioning updating the wooden_castle as an example, were you talking about the descr_settlement_mechanics.xml file or another file like the EDB.txt? I only know of the descr_settlement_mechanics.xml to have anything to do with population sizes, bar the desc_strat file.

[Squid]

I was referring to settlement_mechanics. Make sure the min of the next level matches the upgrade of the previous level.

[IZob]

I followed those instructions but theres still no change .

Here is what my the descr_settlement_mech... .xml file looks like.

<population_levels>
<!-- city -->
<level name="village" base="500" upgrade="1000" min="500" max="1000"/>
<level name="town" base="1000" upgrade="3000" min="1000" max="4000"/>
<level name="large_town" base="3000" upgrade="9000" min="3000" max="12000"/>
<level name="city" base="9000" upgrade="22000" min="9000" max="31000"/>
<level name="large_city" base="22000" upgrade="38000" min="22000" max="60000"/>
<level name="huge_city" base="38000" min="38000" max="100000"/>
<!-- castle -->
<level name="moot_and_bailey" base="500" upgrade="800" min="500" max="1300"/>
<level name="wooden_castle" base="800" upgrade="1500" min="800" max="2300"/>
<level name="castle" base="1500" upgrade="4500" min="1500" max="6000"/>
<level name="fortress" base="4500" upgrade="11000" min="4500" max="15500"/>
<level name="citadel" base="11000" upgrade="20000" min="11000" max="50000"/>
</population_levels>

I noticed in other mods and in vanilla they have the 'min' population value set to 500 for all settlement levels. I also tried that but again no change.

Edit: Is it possiable the '!' mark just before the settlement levels could be stoping the game from reading the text? ie: <!-- city --> & <!-- castle -->

[Gigantus]

The exclamation mark is the same as the semicolon in text files - it starts a comment that doesn't get processed by the game engine.
You can have the min level set to the lowest in all levels, it simply means that the population will be able to shrink that low (massacres, black death)

Let me see if I get this straight: citadel is last upgrade for castles, right? And this is the line for it:
<level name="citadel" base="11000" upgrade="20000" min="11000" max="50000"/>
Which means that you upgrade to this level at 20.000 from fortress.

Which would mean if you have a wooden_castle (core_building level in descr_strat) with 1.200 nothing should happen until 4.500 when you can upgrade to castle.

Could you let us have the entry for that settlement in your descr_strat please?

[IZob]

Citadel is the last castle upgrade available. It needs a population size of 20,000 to be built.

Just as the moot_and_bailey needs 800 to be built and the wooden_castle needs 1500 to be built etc etc ...

At least thats from my understanding of how the file works. That is my intention.

here is one of the rebel wooden_castles with a population of 1,200.

settlement castle
{
level town
region Wick_Province
year_founded 0
population 1200
plan_set default_set
faction_creator norway
building
{
type core_castle_building wooden_castle
}
}

[Gigantus]

The population level is actually below the wooden_castle level - you shouldn't be able to upgrade to castle at all (unless I misunderstand the settlement mechanics)

[IZob]

Ahhh well I think, as by this line here:

<level name="wooden_castle" base="800" upgrade="1500" min="800" max="2300"/>

Wick is a town, and thats equivalent to the wooden_castle correct?
So its pop of 1200 should be fine.
By the time it gets to 1500, then it should be able to upgrade to castle.