I think a lot of people are vastly underrating good infantry

[ScottishAdam]

Imagine even 10 units of roman infantry that can throw javelins.

5 units fight hand to hand combat with 7 or 8 enemy units (any type except elephants). The other 5 units are positioned behind the front line of infantry fighting and are ordered to through javelins into the enemy. Within 10 second they will all retreat. battle won

Archers are no where near as effective as javelins and artillery is suicidal when your troops are next to theirs.

I therefore really only need 2 cavalry units at the most to destroy the retreating enemy.

Regroup the infantry into the two rows again and repeat if there are any other armies approaching.

I have yet to lose one battle with this scenario.

Some of the people on here seem to get carried away with the shiny horses

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

In SP - who cares. Just spam stuff.

In MP - complete nonsense.

[ScottishAdam]

In SP - who cares. Just spam stuff.

In MP - complete nonsense.

I have won a few MP matches that way.

[underworld965]

I have won a few MP matches that way.

hate to be critical mate, but unfortunately online play isn't a good head to head battle. I assume you have yet to face the armies of horse archers, archer spam, or cataphracts yet... The problem is the inf cant catch them, and if your enemy doesn't bother to fight your infantry, well, you've had it.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Yes, who hasn't. 90% of the lobby is n00b.

[Plant]

No, you are vastly underrating cavalry. Even in single player, a few cavalry have massive amounts of influence.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

No, you are vastly underrating cavalry. Even in single player, a few cavalry have massive amounts of influence.

I know, but it doesn't really matter. I usually just spam the first decent unit I can get my hands on and conquer the map.

Athough... In some mods I have payed attention to army composition... By spamming cav.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Playing style preference, I guess. As soon as I know how a historical army was composed (of whichever faction I'm playing) I just feel the need to only play with historical armies.
Often these armies work. Only one that hasn't worked that well yet is the acer triplex because of the inability of units to retreat while fighting.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Oh, you reminded me of RoP, where I used an historical army.

[Botanicum81]

The game is called total war, you win by any means necessary, that is war. I have been playing total war games since 2002, even when I was deployed, I had a laptop. Military leaders throughout history have used tactics which will bring victory at a low cost. I have noticed by talking to other total war fans and friends who play, they complain when a newcomer (I hate the word Noob) kicks their @$$ and makes an excuse like "They were using a Noob square, circle, or whatever", I want to say "If you are such a great tactician you should of out maneuvered, out thought, out flank, etc., him.

[Entropy Judge]

Imagine even 10 units of roman infantry that can throw javelins.

Pila, not Javelins.

5 units fight hand to hand combat with 7 or 8 enemy units (any type except elephants). The other 5 units are positioned behind the front line of infantry fighting and are ordered to through javelins into the enemy. Within 10 second they will all retreat. battle won

Five units of line infantry to hold the enemy + 5 units of decent Charge cavalry = 10-second rout, and you won't have extra casualties from your own guys throwing pila into your own men.

Archers are no where near as effective as javelins

Then you're not using Archers properly. Early Archers are junk, true, but Cretans or upgraded Archers are extremely powerful - Gallic Foresters are quite capable of butchering an army on their own, for example.

and artillery is suicidal when your troops are next to theirs.

No one uses artillery unless they're attacking a Walled town. It's almost suicidal even when your troops aren't next to the enemy!

I have yet to lose one battle with this scenario.

I have yet to lose one battle with a decent combined-arms force.

Some of the people on here seem to get carried away with the shiny horses

That's because charge cavalry is broken. Cataphracts can charge the front of phalanx units and break them, and most cavalry can break engaged infantry with a Hammer-anvil stroke. Good Archers can slaughter entire units before they can even attack.

Am I saying infantry is useless or bad? No - I actually like using infantry, and much of my early-game expansion is used without much Archer support, with cavalry support being restricted to Generals. Most of what I'm saying is that pure-infantry (or high-percentage) armies are a bad idea, because 12-14 good-quality Infantry with 6-8 Archers/Cavalry is nearly always going to be more dangerous than 18 Infantry with 2 Cavalry.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

bringing tons of infantry is only a valid strategy if they are backed up by archers and maybe elements of light cav. then you can use the sheer numbers of your infantry to
a) overwhelm the enemy's infantry
b) form a double line to prevent rear cav strikes

but otherwise, if you're just going to bring 10 units of roman legionaries (urbans, praetorians, wtv), you're not going to have much money left especially on 15k battles and you're probably lose the archer and cavalry duel fantastically and be surrounded and have your nice shiny legionaries shot to pieces.

Huge infantry armies only really work on very high money battles

*and to add to that, most good online players will rarely let you get a nice, clean pilla volley off. by the time your legionaries reform to discharge a volley, most of the time they'd already been trampled into the ground by a rampaging horde of angry cataphracts

[Achea]

12-14 good-quality Infantry with 6-8 Archers/Cavalry is nearly always going to be more dangerous than 18 Infantry with 2 Cavalry.

Agreed. Many people seem to underestimate archers. In my opinion, they are one of the most overpowered aspects of the Vanilla game. In campaign, factions that do not have access to archers (Carthage) and factions that lack archers until later in the game (Gaul) are wiped out quickly under the AI.

[|Sith| Max]

Imagine even 10 units of roman infantry that can throw javelins.

5 units fight hand to hand combat with 7 or 8 enemy units (any type except elephants). The other 5 units are positioned behind the front line of infantry fighting and are ordered to through javelins into the enemy. Within 10 second they will all retreat. battle won

Archers are no where near as effective as javelins and artillery is suicidal when your troops are next to theirs.

I therefore really only need 2 cavalry units at the most to destroy the retreating enemy.

Regroup the infantry into the two rows again and repeat if there are any other armies approaching.

I have yet to lose one battle with this scenario.

Some of the people on here seem to get carried away with the shiny horses

I want everyone to bookmark this thread. When someone asks you why non clan players are kicked from Clan hosted games, reply by posting the link to this thread.

The game is called total war, you win by any means necessary, that is war. I have been playing total war games since 2002, even when I was deployed, I had a laptop. Military leaders throughout history have used tactics which will bring victory at a low cost. I have noticed by talking to other total war fans and friends who play, they complain when a newcomer (I hate the word Noob) kicks their @$$ and makes an excuse like "They were using a Noob square, circle, or whatever", I want to say "If you are such a great tactician you should of out maneuvered, out thought, out flank, etc., him.

Sir there is a difference between a newcomer, EG newbie and a noob. a newbie is a newcomer that understands that he is new and has things to learn and wants to listen to good advice, and a noob is someone who calls you a jew after you heroic him when you laugh when he says that his army was better in the closed beta. Noob squares are retarded and the retards that can not beat them deserve to be backhanded. I also urge people to remember the difference between a noob square and an infantry brick. the main difference being that a noob square is used as an initial opening strategy and often shaped like a square which makes the sides vulnerable. an infantry brick is often done with carthage and macedonia AFTER the enemy cavalry and archers are dead, and has no corners or exposed backsides.

Agreed. Many people seem to underestimate archers. In my opinion, they are one of the most overpowered aspects of the Vanilla game. In campaign, factions that do not have access to archers (Carthage) and factions that lack archers until later in the game (Gaul) are wiped out quickly under the AI.

There is an invisible rule in the grown up league that if you are not rushing and dont have at least six Gold attack/Gold defense archers you should not even bother with trying to cause casualties and just rush in and use the fire arrows as a morale damager. maybe im talking a bit too complicated here.





To sum the thread up, i would like to remind the original poster that the majority of the players of RTW MP suck at the game and that you should not make such threads to make them suck worse. in all my years as a mp player ive never seen someone openly proclaim a majority infantry army to be epic win, and the fact that you actually beat people with that lolrandom mob says something about the average skill of all clanless players. I am honestly dumbfounded when i try to justify someone who is clearly new to RTW is giving people advice. When i was new, people listened to older players because they had played the game for years and knew the better than i did. then again thats just clan logic it wouldnt be a surprise if the admins stickied this thread as informative.

[underworld965]

I want everyone to bookmark this thread. When someone asks you why non clan players are kicked from Clan hosted games, reply by posting the link to this thread.
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[ScottishAdam]

[QUOTE=|Sith|9|Lord_Max;8447839]I want everyone to bookmark this thread. When someone asks you why non clan players are kicked from Clan hosted games, reply by posting the link to this thread.
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And what do you know about me? You have absolutely no idea how good or bad I am.

You seem like another chap I will have to whip on wednesday

[Entropy Judge]

And what do you know about me? You have absolutely no idea how good or bad I am.

He doesn't know anything about you except what you post, which he considers garbage.

[Chris Death]

And what do you know about me? You have absolutely no idea how good or bad I am.

You seem like another chap I will have to whip on wednesday

I'd say he got an idea by reading your post and by counting together what you said
with his experience in multiplayer.

I'd recommend you to search for Kittysn on youtube and watch when she's playing as
Scythia. Now think about your chances against this type of army with what you suggested
to be an army "yet to loose a battle".

You gonna loose 10 out of 10 with that army - very possibly each one a crushing defeat.

I just took Belle as an example here since she's been posting so many Scythia vids lately
i'm pretty sure each of those in this thread trying to convince you that you're wrong
will be able to do that using this army.

~S~ CD

[ScottishAdam]

I'd say he got an idea by reading your post and by counting together what you said
with his experience in multiplayer.

I'd recommend you to search for Kittysn on youtube and watch when she's playing as
Scythia. Now think about your chances against this type of army with what you suggested
to be an army "yet to loose a battle".

You gonna loose 10 out of 10 with that army - very possibly each one a crushing defeat.

I just took Belle as an example here since she's been posting so many Scythia vids lately
i'm pretty sure each of those in this thread trying to convince you that you're wrong
will be able to do that using this army.

~S~ CD

Well we can all find out next wednesday how good my army really is

[dacder]

[QUOTE=ScottishAdam;8449025]

I want everyone to bookmark this thread. When someone asks you why non clan players are kicked from Clan hosted games, reply by posting the link to this thread.
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And what do you know about me? You have absolutely no idea how good or bad I am.

You seem like another chap I will have to whip on wednesday

well he knows you play like crap....thats simple enough aint it?