Clean fixed M2TW export_descr_charcter_traits

[King Philip II]

I'm looking for a clean fixed M2TW export_descr_charcter_traits file. By clean I mean no new features or changes and by fixed I mean fixing the obvious errors in the file.

The files I'm aware of that are most relevant are:

Blood, Broads and Bastards (has all the vanilla fixes, but recent releases makes it a mod more than a fix)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=230278

Orientis' Vices & Virtues FIXES 1.2 - is the cleanest fixed file I'm aware of: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74566

Much appreciated

/KP

[Squid]

Moved to text editing and scripting.

I'd suggest just making the changes yourself if you aren't satisfied with the vanilla file or other versions from various mods.

[Ishan]

If you are looking for a clean and fixed EDCT or EDA then use Squid's ATVTW - Trait/Ancillary Validator.
And fix the errors yourself.

[SigniferOne]

Question Ishan, since you posted the Validator link:

Will the game always give a log warning when a trait trigger sets the level of a trait to -1?

That is a valid syntax, event he vanilla uses it, but the warnings nevertheless still happen.

[King Philip II]

Moved to text editing and scripting.

I'd suggest just making the changes yourself if you aren't satisfied with the vanilla file or other versions from various mods.

If you are looking for a clean and fixed EDCT or EDA then use Squid's ATVTW - Trait/Ancillary Validator.
And fix the errors yourself.

Thanks for responding. Having said that, then the purpose of my post was to identify a good clean file to use as a starting point for modding - neither of you have provided any information on this.

I (and half the TW community) made the corrections back in 2006, so I was just curious if there was a current file that was regarded as "best of breed" - no need to reinvent the wheel.

[irishron]

This is four years later. If it still does exist try the downloads section.

[King Philip II]

This is four years later. If it still does exist try the downloads section.

been there done that - check OP

[irishron]

Then I can't help. The one I am using for the mod is BBB 4.0 and it's getting butchered as we speak because of crashes. Many of those are leftovers from vanilla.

[King Philip II]

Then I can't help. The one I am using for the mod is BBB 4.0 and it's getting butchered as we speak because of crashes. Many of those are leftovers from vanilla.

Thanks a bunch! I'm looking at an early version of BBB as the best option at the moment. The early version of BBB was solid as a rock (a derivative of Dearmads Princess fixes?).

Perhaps your crashes are coming from the multitude of traits and triggers that needs to be matched in the ancillary and regions file?

Anyway, once I have selected a decent file and checked/fixed it, I'll release it - It's darn annoying to stumble into old vanilla bugs 5 years after release ... goes back to the reason why I posted this thread in the first place.

[irishron]

Have you looked through FactionHeir's Medieval2 bug fixes at .org if still linked? I have not been there in over a year.

[King Philip II]

yes - I didn't like it. It's not about adjusting the EDCT to your personal preference - it's about making the traits logical and balanced IMHO. Vanilla GoodTrader requires you to build something like 12 trade related buildings for level 1 (48 for level 3 I think), but while you are doing that you get a point to the anti-trait "BadTrader" every time you complete a building if you do not have highest level market. BadTrader is self-perpetuating (GoodTrader is not), so the end result is that you will never see a GoodTrader trait.

Don't get me started on Chivalry/Fear

[irishron]

I won't. Just asking.

[King Philip II]

Roger,

- back to Ishan and Squid: I was a little surprised (and daunted) by seeing that you are both moderators of TWC. You both answered my question with a lame suggestion to do it myself - I do believe that one of the founding principles of TWC is to enable modders to share work, knowledge and advice - have you guys disbanded this?

Edit: please also respond to Signifiers post - i'm sure the tool is supposed to be useful to de-bug EDCT files etc, but when it picks up changes like missing descriptions (defined but naugth) then it's too much a hassle to use. I personally prefer to just make solid coding

[Squid]

Roger,

- back to Ishan and Squid: I was a little surprised (and daunted) by seeing that you are both moderators of TWC. You both answered my question with a lame suggestion to do it myself - I do believe that one of the founding principles of TWC is to enable modders to share work, knowledge and advice - have you guys disbanded this?

The purpose of TWC is to enable the sharing of resources to allow a person to complete their own projects. If everyone, like you apparently, would only do stuff if someone else did something first then nothing would ever get done. My tool, as Ishan pointed out, is a tool to enable you to create the work that you want. Expecting someone else to do the work and provide it for you is not what this site is about. If you aren't prepared to make those fixes, because the old version of the fixes got lost, then there's not much point in your asking questions because no one will do the work for you.

I have shared my work with many on this site. There are few people on this site who have created more tools and published more tutorials than I have, so you telling me I've not given my work, knowledge and advice to other is quite plainly insulting. I have given freely of time, knowledge and advice on this site, but I will not ever do someone else's work for them. If it's important enough to them, they should make the effort to learn it do it themselves. I will gladly provide help and advice and answer any questions they have to the best of my ability but that's as far as I will go. You will find few people who will do your work for you.

Edit: please also respond to Signifiers post - i'm sure the tool is supposed to be useful to de-bug EDCT files etc, but when it picks up changes like missing descriptions (defined but naugth) then it's too much a hassle to use. I personally prefer to just make solid coding

So let me get this straight, you'd rather the tool didn't report CTD causing errors and let your game crash? Yet you claim you make solid code? The very fact that ATVTW found such errors means your code is far from solid. If I run ATVTW on code I have written there is not a single error given. That is definition of solid code.

[King Philip II]

The purpose of TWC is to enable the sharing of resources to allow a person to complete their own projects.

So I guess it has changed a lot

If everyone, like you apparently, would only do stuff if someone else did something first then nothing would ever get done

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I absolutely agree - except the notion that you think I have never created anything. You could try out The First Triumvirate if you are really curious.

My tool, as Ishan pointed out, is a tool to enable you to create the work that you want.

nah - it's just for verification

Expecting someone else to do the work and provide it for you is not what this site is about. If you aren't prepared to make those fixes, because the old version of the fixes got lost, then there's not much point in your asking questions because no one will do the work for you

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Check my OP again mate - I was not looking "for others to do my work", - just looking for the most recent file - what the heck is so wrong with that?

I have shared my work with many on this site. ....snip ..... but that's as far as I will go. You will find few people who will do your work for you.

I have read your guides and I really like them - why would you think that I would be interested in using your stuff when I created something unique before you even joined TWC? (need to double-check that one)

[Taiji]

Check my OP again mate - I was not looking "for others to do my work", - just looking for the most recent file - what the heck is so wrong with that?

The most recent file is in kingdoms 1.5... Or else you are looking for work done for you by other modders.

I wonder why you are rude to people that help you. But I also wonder if you realise yourself how rude you are being. You say that someone is criticising you for asking for work that another modder might have been done already. I see nothing of it. So it seems you're fabricating criticism from people that are obviously helping you. There's an example of rudeness.

Then your final post... It seems really weird to me to see you apparently forgiving everyone for trying to help you - 'water under the bridge'. Perhaps it's a mistake, chose the wrong phrase, but otherwise it seems quite out of touch with reality. You have nothing to hold against anyone here, in fact quite the opposite seems more likely. So implying that you are letting go of something you could otherwise press further seems totally unrelated to the content of this thread, where you were only helped as far as I can see.

If it were me acting like you then I'd first apologise to and then thank those that were helping. But then I am kind and appreciative

[irishron]

The biggest problem, Sir King Phillip, is not to lay a "lame suggestion" on your doorstep. Pick a modder from four years ago that you knew and where are are they? From your list in the Q & S, King Kong is still the only active one left in Medieval2/Kingdoms modding. He has Third Age going, odds are still helps Gracol in Stainless Steel when needed, and been helping Wilddog and Maknyane with the world files.

The premise is still to help each other when possible. I for one don't have any four year old Medieval2 files unless they are unpacked vanilla. I doubt anyone else does unless it's their original mod tucked away on a set of cds in the bottom desk drawer totally forgooten about by now.

Knowing Sig, he was trying to be helpful like the rest of us. The tool is not made to know if the code really works ingame. Noone can. The hardcode has its own share of bugs that we can't fix because of where it is. The only thing Squid could do was make a tool to catch the obvious coding errors but not CA's snafus. It's the only thing I could do if I were a programmer. The only way to do that is cross reference it with the error log.

After that, I look at others work, ask questions, offer suggestions, and do it my way for my mod. We, being human, and all the differences of opinion by being human, it's the only option we really have.

Edit: Oops, late. Squid's got it.

[King Philip II]

The biggest problem, Sir King Phillip, is not to lay a "lame suggestion" on your doorstep. Pick a modder from four years ago that you knew and where are are they? From your list in the Q & S, King Kong is still the only active one left in Medieval2/Kingdoms modding. He has Third Age going, odds are still helps Gracol in Stainless Steel when needed, and been helping Wilddog and Maknyane with the world files.

The premise is still to help each other when possible. I for one don't have any four year old Medieval2 files unless they are unpacked vanilla. I doubt anyone else does unless it's their original mod tucked away on a set of cds in the bottom desk drawer totally forgooten about by now.

Knowing Sig, he was trying to be helpful like the rest of us. The tool is not made to know if the code really works ingame. Noone can. The hardcode has its own share of bugs that we can't fix because of where it is. The only thing Squid could do was make a tool to catch the obvious coding errors but not CA's snafus. It's the only thing I could do if I were a programmer. The only way to do that is cross reference it with the error log.

After that, I look at others work, ask questions, offer suggestions, and do it my way for my mod. We, being human, and all the differences of opinion by being human, it's the only option we really have.

Edit: Oops, late. Squid's got it.

Thanks for that Irishron - It was just as you described. Give me a little and i'll return a lot. My only objective has been to release a good, solid M2TW EDCT file .... while at the same time providing a solid EDCT file for my team .... I Have absolutely ZERO interest in what the previous poster mentioned.


Having said that - and read your post - then it's all water under the bridge

/KP